Dragonsong ultimate, is machinist useless?

[Serenaya]

let's be real, we r playing ultimate on content, we r gimped as is

things r already pretty tight, playing weaker jobs simply exacerbates the problem and makes it that much harder to meet the checks

in savage ur point holds true, as u can easily outgear the fights quite substantially in a few weeks so the above does not matter that much any more

however, outgearing ultimate? best u r getting is 5ilvls on everything but ur weapon in... the next expansion i think?

I really cannot comprehend how people don't understand the simple factor of player skill. People see statistics and immediately take it as gospel, as well as failing to look at each phase specifically on top of all the other factors I've listed, let alone how much you lose if someone is playing a job they're not able to optimise so well because they're less familiar with it regardless of its party buffs. "BUT BRD/DNC IS JUST BETTTURURURURUR"... please. If someone is more comfortable and therefore more reliable mechanically and in terms of consistent damage output on MCH, then you let them play MCH. The same goes for any job/role when deciding on your comp. I'm not talking about world racing or speedkills. I'm talking about prog for any group.

Stop being a sheep and understand that comfort and consistency matters. For the record, we killed P4S Day 3 with a double phys-ranged comp before gear became a major factor. Is it as tight as the last phase of an ultimate? No. Is it still winnable? Yes, so who cares. Does this justify the position MCH is in? No, and I've complained extensively before as seen here as one of many that have been constructively moaning about it for quite some time - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5890630 and I don't agree with how MCH is right now. However, writing it off as objectively not viable is short-sighted.

Dungeon gear that's +5 ilvl will be 6.3 by the way. Always 2 major patches after.

[CKNovel]

Well if given a choice, why bring a MCH to the party?

Because of job preference. That's the only reason you would pick MCH.
If you want to change job, BRD/DNC aren't that hard and you will have no troubles getting consistant with those.

Enrage aren't hard so you don't want to focus on damage? BRD/DNC are better.
You want damage? MCH will only shine in a few phases, DNC/BRD will shine in any multi target/lots of downtime phases. DNC/BRD are also able to hold their bursts.
You want utility? Why are you even asking the question.
You want mobility? MCH only has its two feets to run.

If you pick MCH, it's out of pure dedication to the job and not caring about what you bring to the party.
Any other reason is, in my fair opinion, copium.

[Maxilor]

MCH is viable in the same way as going hiking with a broken leg.

Can it be done? Technically yes.

But it's incredibly painful.

And this sucks because I love MCH, but if you're choosing a Physical Ranged then DNC is the no brainer atm.

[Serenaya]

MCH is viable in the same way as going hiking with a broken leg.

Can it be done? Technically yes.

But it's incredibly painful.

And this sucks because I love MCH, but if you're choosing a Physical Ranged then DNC is the no brainer atm.

Please tell me more about how you love a class you haven't even reached level 90 on yet, and are chiming in on a discussion revolving around the hardest level 90 content.

[Maxilor]

Please tell me more about how you love a class you haven't even reached level 90 on yet, and are chiming in on a discussion revolving around the hardest level 90 content.

1. You don't need to have the class at 90 to tell it has issues.

2. Please tell me random internet person, what else do I need to show you to earn your oh so valuable respect that I totally crave? You want my Gamer License #? You want to see my Purpy Parse?

[CKNovel]

Car 1 can go up to 110km/h and doesn't offer anything else.
Car 2 can go up to 100km/h but accelerate faster, has a bigger chest and has air conditioning.

Both are new, can be purchased for the same price and you can only get one.
You don't need to be a mechanic to understand Car 2 is a better choice.
Of course Car 1 can shine is some scenarios.

The same way I don't need hours of SMN experience to understand that the job brings more DPS and more Utility for an easier rotation.
If BLM was lower than SMN or RDM, I would completely agree with players being upset.

If you just compare all ranged Utility, you don't even need to get the MCH soulstone to understand the problem.

[Tesha]

So that's gonna be your first post, huh?

Bonus points for the Wojack. Gonna go far, kid.

Thank you i'm having expectations that one day i can become as good as you being able to talk about something i don't know shit about with that much confidence you're my idol tell me where your plot location is and i'll give you the biggest time of your life

[Chopstix]

1. You don't need to have the class at 90 to tell it has issues.

2. Please tell me random internet person, what else do I need to show you to earn your oh so valuable respect that I totally crave? You want my Gamer License #? You want to see my Purpy Parse?

Nice burn, right on :P

I really cannot comprehend how people don't understand the simple factor of player skill. People see statistics and immediately take it as gospel, as well as failing to look at each phase specifically on top of all the other factors I've listed, let alone how much you lose if someone is playing a job they're not able to optimise so well because they're less familiar with it regardless of its party buffs. "BUT BRD/DNC IS JUST BETTTURURURURUR"... please. If someone is more comfortable and therefore more reliable mechanically and in terms of consistent damage output on MCH, then you let them play MCH. The same goes for any job/role when deciding on your comp. I'm not talking about world racing or speedkills. I'm talking about prog for any group.

Stop being a sheep and understand that comfort and consistency matters. For the record, we killed P4S Day 3 with a double phys-ranged comp before gear became a major factor. Is it as tight as the last phase of an ultimate? No. Is it still winnable? Yes, so who cares. Does this justify the position MCH is in? No, and I've complained extensively before as seen here as one of many that have been constructively moaning about it for quite some time - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5890630 and I don't agree with how MCH is right now. However, writing it off as objectively not viable is short-sighted.

Dungeon gear that's +5 ilvl will be 6.3 by the way. Always 2 major patches after.

I really cannot comprehend that something like a dancer would be hard to optimise

wake up person, u r an ultimate raider making it harder for 7 others, sure u r probably a god on ur preferred job, but did u realise that with the general skill u already posses u could be doing the same output as well as the extra utility/buffs

what u r doing is akin to playing the game with ur hands tied behind ur back, because u like it, that's great im happy for u but y put ur teammates through all that?

oh that's awesome, im looking forward to all the speed + tenacity/det pieces 8 months after ultimate released