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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    The player character was once falsely accused of murdering a leader and forced to flee into a foreign nation for refuge, so it could have easily have been written in such a way as to have the player character be eager to clear Gaius' name. I'm not sure why some posters are overlooking the fact that our character and many of his allies are well aware that Gaius did not actually murder Varis and that the individual responsible for slaying the Emperor was, in fact, still at large within the region at the time of our character's arrival. Exposing lies to bring the truth to light has long been a clear goal of our character (unless it has anything to do with Hydaelyn's genocide, the treachery at the end of the Autumn War and now Gaius van Baelsar's innocence it seems!)

    All that aside, I do hope we see some manner of reconstruction effort established for the people of Garlemald. They've long been the true victims of the setting in my eyes, after all - for they suffered the most as a consequence of the Sundering given their inability to manipulate aether ordinarily, the horrific attempts to inflict genocide upon them during their days as peaceful farmers and then an era of prosperity turning out to merely be a matter of Ascian manipulation.

    Leaving them to linger in the frozen ruins of Garlemald or fend for themselves upon the moon does not strike me as the end of their story, especially with Jullus serving as a future plot hook for more of the Garlean story going forward.
    Ignoring your unique brand of interpreting the story how do you propose The WoL, the person hated by the empire and her people walk into Garlemald and convince the people,who hate us that a defector didn't kill their ruler?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatonemal View Post
    Ignoring your unique brand of interpreting the story how do you propose The WoL, the person hated by the empire and her people walk into Garlemald and convince the people,who hate us that a defector didn't kill their ruler?
    Yeah, we are uniquely UNqualified to convince anyone in Garlemald of anything about Garlemald. In fact, we kinda do absolutely nothing on that front, you can make a serious argument that the WoL caused more problems than they solved in Garlemald until we hit the Tower of Babil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    Yeah, we are uniquely UNqualified to convince anyone in Garlemald of anything about Garlemald. In fact, we kinda do absolutely nothing on that front, you can make a serious argument that the WoL caused more problems than they solved in Garlemald until we hit the Tower of Babil.
    What problems would those be. They were on the verge of freezing to death when we got there. Instead of taking the help that was offered they decied to use their last bit of fuel to launch a futile attack. Self inflicted wounds aren't our problem and Gauis being there would have made it worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatonemal View Post
    What problems would those be. They were on the verge of freezing to death when we got there. Instead of taking the help that was offered they decied to use their last bit of fuel to launch a futile attack. Self inflicted wounds aren't our problem and Gauis being there would have made it worse.
    Sorry about the delay on this one, was VERY busy yesterday. But keep in mind I'm speaking to the WoL themselves, not the Ilsabard Contingent. The Contingent were important in providing supplies and expertise to get people back to a livable state, as well as being a relay of communications between the remnants of Garlemald and the abroad Legions, but until cracking open the Tower of Babil the WoL as an individual mostly just made people mad and got people killed. You can call those 'self-inflicted wounds' and have a point, sure, but the fact remains that if all the WoL did in Garlemald was hit the Tower of Babil, slightly less people probably would've died. I'm not saying the WoL was a bad influence on the whole thing, but it's pretty visible that they were not exactly winning support.

    And yeah, it would've been even worse with Gaius around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    Sorry about the delay on this one, was VERY busy yesterday. But keep in mind I'm speaking to the WoL themselves, not the Ilsabard Contingent. The Contingent were important in providing supplies and expertise to get people back to a livable state, as well as being a relay of communications between the remnants of Garlemald and the abroad Legions, but until cracking open the Tower of Babil the WoL as an individual mostly just made people mad and got people killed. You can call those 'self-inflicted wounds' and have a point, sure, but the fact remains that if all the WoL did in Garlemald was hit the Tower of Babil, slightly less people probably would've died. I'm not saying the WoL was a bad influence on the whole thing, but it's pretty visible that they were not exactly winning support.

    And yeah, it would've been even worse with Gaius around.
    They talked about this when Gaius showed up. Hardly anybody knows what the WoL looks like. They don't have a face to put to the name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatonemal View Post
    They talked about this when Gaius showed up. Hardly anybody knows what the WoL looks like. They don't have a face to put to the name.
    It's not even that the WoL is recognizable that's the problem (although they actually were, the First Legion had people from the Praetorium, so the description reached), it's more that the WoL is very intrusive and intimidating. Remember the sisters that died running away from them; it wasn't that they recognized who it was, it's that they were afraid of a foreign warrior busting down their door no matter who it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    It's not even that the WoL is recognizable that's the problem (although they actually were, the First Legion had people from the Praetorium, so the description reached), it's more that the WoL is very intrusive and intimidating. Remember the sisters that died running away from them; it wasn't that they recognized who it was, it's that they were afraid of a foreign warrior busting down their door no matter who it was.
    That doesn't happen until the legatus points us out to his troops. They were afraid because they thought they would be made to suffer for what they had been doing. They did try to get use to steal supplies from a bunch of non natives up there.
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