So what's up with the culture of "one person left therefore all must leave" in PF?

[Ath192]

That happens in Primal all the time. I think it deals with insecurity as well. Like sometimes people leave so that they feel like they are the ones rejecting instead of being the rejected one? I don't know if that makes sense. This is in addition to the stuff mentioned above, people will absolutely leave if they know someone is underperforming and there is no hope. It only takes one to sink the ship. Not a lot of people have the patience and compassion to stick it out with a mediocre group.

On the other hand though I've been part of plenty of PFs that will even stick for two lockouts if the prog is great and theres a good chance of clearing. I've seen this more often earlier in the tier though, and its always when the group is full of experienced raiders and so everyone knows theyre getting prog done.

I prefer the silent leaving to parties devolving into insults though, which they sometimes do. The moment toxicity starts the group is dead anyways. Morale plunges and a rage quit is about 5 seconds away.

[Jeeqbit]

The problem with party finder is that when your party has just about got a phase down, they are getting tired and leave. The next party you start from the beginning. Even if you say you are starting from a certain phase, they don't read the description so it is fresh prog. I've had this in previous tiers going back to Heavensward.

The problem with a static is you might get trapped with someone who isn't very good, you can't use party finder until all raid days are done for that week, they take it in turns to not be able to make it so you never actually raid together as a full static without substitutes and most of them only do raid progression for 2 hours 1-2 days a week which is casual compared to how often you can do it in PF.

There is no solution to the problem. Each have their downsides.

[Bad_Luck]

"Why didn't you just stuck around the group that was 90% filled with people doing stuff right?"

Sometimes people are just foolish and think the grass is greener in a different PF.

[kaynide]

For me, for a learning party it’s mostly by the time someone does leave, we tried a few times and I feel like I’ve had enough for now and will try again later. I’m satisfied after like 30ish min trying, then happy to try again another day.

I mean, the goal was to learn, not necessarily clear.

And to be fair, I’m not really into endgame stuff anyway, so usually this is with a static group of friends.

[Dzian]

And... sometimes the group can be performing strongly, and wasn't going for long at all before someone leaves and it still happens. That one still baffles me.

Sometimes it's just trying to be decent about it and not waste peoples time..

If you still have 30-45 minutes of playtime before you need to do stuff and someone drops the party your in. Then it seems kinda pointless to spend maybe 10 of those minutes waiting for someone to fill the gap. Only to have time for one more attempt yourself before you have to go..

[Azuri]

So, I hope you've had enough sugarcoating and false reassurance from the previous posts. Because I'm about to slam you with some harsh reality.

The reason why others often leave your party is... Yourself. There is indeed a culture of leaving the party at the earliest opportunity without saying anything instead of addressing the underperforming player if you aren't satisfied. Whether you prefer this or not, this is the way many will act. Now, people often leave your party and there is a common element between all of them - you. A cursory glance at the couple of P1S kills you have tells me that you are indeed the underperforming player. You might do mechanics right but it is obvious you struggle pressing buttons while doing so.

If you are looking for genuine advice, start practicing the very basics - GCD uptime. Maybe even in less demanding content like Aglaia. Doing both mechanics and a somewhat competent rotation at the same time is the fundamental you are missing.

[AngelCheese77]

So, I hope you've had enough sugarcoating and false reassurance from the previous posts. Because I'm about to slam you with some harsh reality.

The reason why others often leave your party is... Yourself. There is indeed a culture of leaving the party at the earliest opportunity without saying anything instead of addressing the underperforming player if you aren't satisfied. Whether you prefer this or not, this is the way many will act. Now, people often leave your party and there is a common element between all of them - you. A cursory glance at the couple of P1S kills you have tells me that you are indeed the underperforming player. You might do mechanics right but it is obvious you struggle pressing buttons while doing so.

If you are looking for genuine advice, start practicing the very basics - GCD uptime. Maybe even in less demanding content like Aglaia. Doing both mechanics and a somewhat competent rotation at the same time is the fundamental you are missing.

OOF and someone looked at their DPS on FFLogs without asking. Sheesh. What a jack a**.

[Enjuden]

Easy. Problem-solving is evil wicked filthy heretical PARSING and such toxicity isn't allowed in this game.

The passive-aggressive silent treatment, blacklists, indignant flouncing out of duties, that makes for a stable, healthy community.

Why we don't have an NA and EU public blacklist is beyond me. JP does it, so clearly it is the best solution.

Also, we can't talk about the problem so it is better to just silently leave, make a mental note to never invite particular people, and reform or do this another time.

[Azuri]

OOF and someone looked at their DPS on FFLogs without asking. Sheesh. What a jack a**.

Yep. It's better to leave him confused why people leave and ignorant. Such GCBTW, much not-WOW.

[Yeastyloins]

If I'm in a Duty Complete group, I expect the duty to get completed. If I'm in a P4s group and people are sandbagging Pinax or we get through most of the fight with no deaths but the boss is at like 65% after towers then its clear that members in the group are not playing where they need to be. My rule tends to be give it 3 pulls and if similar patterns are occuring, then hop ship.