Is it necessary to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly"

[IkaraGreydancer]

That's kind of the point of plausible deniability / bad faith arguments. People misrepresent their own beliefs and occupy false positions on issues that they believe will achieve an outcome suitable to what they actually believe.

If you notice, OP tried to take a stance claiming that LGBTQ+ friendly is simply redundant because the game does such a good job moderating issues relating to harassment. Of course, this has nothing to do with what OP actually believes. Go ahead and mouse over the tags at the bottom of the page, which seemingly unbeknownst to many, will show you the username of who posted them.

Sure but most others here I do believe ARE speaking in good faith. OP may have used that point to shield what they really feel but some of us have expounded upon that notion. Don't think I saw anyone say it's wrong to advertise it and those like myself have explained respectfully why we steer clear and it's generally due to experience.
I'd say the same if "lgbt" was swapped with "black" or any other label of that nature frankly

[Cyd3l]

Interestingly enough I've yet to see any one be hateful in this thread nor passive aggressive. If stuff like what I've said here is what you consider talking in circles that only proves what I'm saying

Also please don't start with the "conservative/right wing" crap...

Some posts were hateful and have already been deleted. I responded to one earlier with a quote and both the original post and mine with the quote were deleted. But there are plenty that remain, just maybe less direct. Though LittleImp's post above says it best.

[Coletergeist]

Sure but most others here I do believe ARE speaking in good faith. OP may have used that point to shield what they really feel but some of us have expounded upon that notion. Don't think I saw anyone say it's wrong to advertise it and those like myself have explained respectfully why we steer clear and it's generally due to experience.
I'd say the same if "lgbt" was swapped with "black" or any other label of that nature frankly

People can have bad experiences; does that make it redundant to have safe spaces though? Not everyone experience is the same. The topic of the thread is "is it necessary" to which the answer is "it can be if one deems it so". But to flat out say "no, it's not" is, imho, a personal opinion and also wrong. If you don't find it necessary, cool, it's not for you. But there are folks in which it is.

[IkaraGreydancer]

People can have bad experiences; does that make it redundant to have safe spaces though? Not everyone experience is the same. The topic of the thread is "is it necessary" to which the answer is "it can be if one deems it so". But to flat out say "no, it's not" is, imho, a personal opinion and also wrong. If you don't find it necessary, cool, it's not for you. But there are folks in which it is.

Then no, I'm not wrong nor are you right. It's just opinions at the end of the day. No right or wrong answer is really applicable here. All I'm saying once again is understand not everyone is going to care for your safe space as they often in some people's experiences only come with issues.

I also find it funny you say the safespace isn't for me...so wouldn't that by proxy mean that advertisement isn't for me either? Genuine question btw

[Coletergeist]

Then no, I'm not wrong nor are you right. It's just opinions at the end of the day. No right or wrong answer is really applicable here. All I'm saying once again is understand not everyone is going to care for your safe space as they often in some people's experiences only come with issues.

I also find it funny you say the safespace isn't for me...so wouldn't that by proxy mean that advertisement isn't for me either? Genuine question btw

when did I say it wasn't for you? Genuine question. I said if it's not for you (as in the royal you), then it's not for you (royal you). Not you as in you.

[Vencio]

Just be yourself at your own taste & pace for whatever you community you wish to align yourself,

While also you cannot convince or judge right away for anyone that expresses otherwise or just don’t agree with it & that doesn’t mean you have to come hostile in retaliation because of your strong affiliation.

The world will always retain disagreements, empowerings & innovation for social progress or change. After all, we all been targeted & will always be. Instead of asking for retribution or creating a “safe zone” try to build a thick skin through it, show defiance, persevere & accept everyone has different perspectives & not always oppresive (for whatever community & ideology you embrace…).

What matters most is maintaining civility. order, tolerance & just be at peace with yourself. The world will never be at peace, but your actions does reflect your essence onto others ;be it for good or bad.

Nonetheless, this whole charade is irrelevant

-Give to God what is God & to Caesar what is Caesrar- a quote i embrace without throwing doctrine or religious aspects. It makes much sense & I don’t think anyone is just doing that on whatever they embrace vs trying to pin down the world’s entropy state of sorts

[Vav2021]

What matters most is maintaining civility. order, tolerance & just be at peace with yourself. The world will never be at peace, but your actions does reflect your essence onto others ;be it for good or bad.

There was a guild I was in a while ago in WoW. The fellow found out that I was bisexual in a passing statement to someone that was meant to be a private message. I found out he didn't actively support my sexual preference, but embraced me as a friend, ally, and fellow guildie with the only statements being on my sexuality. He was a good fellow.

Nonetheless, this whole charade is irrelevant

-Give to God what is God & to Caesar what is Caesrar- a quote i embrace without throwing doctrine or religious aspects. It makes much sense & I don’t think anyone is just doing that on whatever they embrace vs trying to pin down the world’s entropy state of sorts

It is now. I've been meaning to let the thread die, but whatever.

[Vryn]

That's the exact opposite of how it works, at least in the US. There's a list of reasons that you are legally not allowed to use to refuse service. Any other reason, or no reason at all is fair game. If you file a lawsuit and can prove that the *real* reason they refused you service is on the list of disallowed reasons, then you have a case.

"I don't like your hairdo" could be a veiled way to express racism, yes. If you prove it. They could refuse you service because they don't like your shirt. They could refuse service because they don't like your attitude. They could refuse service because the sky is annoying them and they don't feel like serving someone today. Discrimination isn't the default legal assumption. The burden of proof is on the claimant.

I looked it up it depends on the state but federally it's not allowed and some states such as new york explicitly don't allow discrimination against hair. Normal states if it's a refusal of service it cant be based on whether you don't like it oir not. You cant prove a negative. the fact is it doesn't matter if it's veild racism or not a cooperation cannot deny them service. This is different if its

[Vryn]

That's the exact opposite of how it works, at least in the US. There's a list of reasons that you are legally not allowed to use to refuse service. Any other reason, or no reason at all is fair game. If you file a lawsuit and can prove that the *real* reason they refused you service is on the list of disallowed reasons, then you have a case.

"I don't like your hairdo" could be a veiled way to express racism, yes if you prove it. They could refuse your service because they don't like your shirt. They could refuse service because they don't want your attitude. They could refuse service because the sky is annoying them and they don't feel like serving someone today. Discrimination isn't the default legal assumption. The burden of proof is on the claimant.

Yes, in the EU, you cannot deny service based on protected characteristics, and you cant federally in the US either. Some states do allow it, and some states are harsher such as new york, but federally the US does not allow it. So all you have done is prove the local American population in some states, such as Arizona, is filled with savages. You cannot prove a negative, and that's why these protected characteristics are there. It doesn't matter if you were doing it for racist means. No one is calling you a racist, but people are saying you are in breach of a protected characteristic which is illegal, and that's all that matters.

The only time you can is when it would cause harm to the individual, such as age, but even then, our laws against things such as alcohol are pretty lax compared to the US's stupid alcohol, drug, sex etc. laws. Your union is a barbaric embarrassment for the most part and the main reason after 450 years you never became the centre of culture for the rest of the world and even failed to live up to Britain's record at solving world issues such as slavery.

[Angus]

I hear people use that "thick skin" argument and all I can think of is, "Why can't you be more sensitive to others feelings?"