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  1. #261
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    Vencio Luirex
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    No FC is perfect pf course, and neither can you guarantee yourself from social settings to be,

    Instead of reacting, it’s best to also look at avenues to still apply these civil rules & also instead of further fueling the fire, keep & walk away from it.

    In a similar note I am with OP, then again since FC’s are independently run it is ultimately the responsibility how it’ll operate.

    PS: Rare I see FCs that recruits anyone universally without the emphasis “LGBTQ/Spanish/Asian/Weeb/whatever” & just say casually friendly, welcoming & show the FCs real motto as opposed to apply a specific community which otherwise may seem exclusive from others imo.
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  2. #262
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    FoxyAreku's Avatar
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    Areku Foxfire
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    This smells like a thread written by someone who has never had their rights threatened or taken away on a regular basis.
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  3. #263
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    Raogrimm Ironfist
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Vencio View Post
    Then I have a right to say this,

    Have everyone all the same be inclusive, particularly those that don’t agree with the same ideology or perhaps have another community be in it as well,

    The issue I have with these type of community settings (not just LGBTQ but other’s) it creates a division amongst the rest of other people,

    In irl we have that problem ongoing. Just because I am hispanic therefore I will say to have an all inclusive hispanis/spanish community reinforced when in truth the message that’s displaying its separating the “ Us with them/rest”.

    I beyond disagree with the entirety of it,

    We’ll always come around bad apples in the world, and thats part of growing & also valuing those that values you likewise without incriminating or otherwise.

    In truth, I rather have an FC where everyone are just themselves from a variety of backgrounds without the constant emphasis of “Community this, that, etc., & just be a regular FC within civility, etiquette, and tackle anyone being discriminatory regardless.

    I don’t truly care if an FC member is an LGBTQ, European/Caucasian, Weeb, Cop, Artist or whatever, I just see the individual as it is.

    Only judge whats bad of character
    We can actually end this thread now! Some common sense in the NA boards? I can get use to this!
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  4. #264
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    Semirhage's Avatar
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    Nemene Damendar
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    I stay away from groups that advertise themselves as prominently LGBTQ+ friendly. Mostly because every single alphabet group I've ever attempted to join has been full of catty, attention-seeking drama queens. And I'd rather be in a chill FC that barely talks to one another while maintaining buff upkeep than subject myself to THAT.
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  5. #265
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    Mizuchi Hikaze
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    Do exclusively straight FCs even exist? (I'm not talking about 1 or 2 man FCs)
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  6. #266
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    IkaraGreydancer's Avatar
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    Ikara Graydancer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    Do exclusively straight FCs even exist? (I'm not talking about 1 or 2 man FCs)
    If they do I don't see them advertised ever. You wouldn't really know who is or isn't straight in xiv anyways
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  7. #267
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    This smells like a thread written by someone who has never had their rights threatened or taken away on a regular basis.
    Pretty much this.
    "Why worry about not having reliable access to hygienic water if they don't live in... say... arid desert?"

    We shouldn't need to care, which is ideally true. But that's also not what reality is showing us unfortunately.
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  8. #268
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    Vavil Veneth
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    Bard Lv 57
    Quote Originally Posted by Vencio View Post
    Then I have a right to say this,

    Have everyone all the same be inclusive, particularly those that don’t agree with the same ideology or perhaps have another community be in it as well,

    The issue I have with these type of community settings (not just LGBTQ but other’s) it creates a division amongst the rest of other people,

    In irl we have that problem ongoing. Just because I am hispanic therefore I will say to have an all inclusive hispanis/spanish community reinforced when in truth the message that’s displaying its separating the “ Us with them/rest”.

    I beyond disagree with the entirety of it,

    We’ll always come around bad apples in the world, and thats part of growing & also valuing those that values you likewise without incriminating or otherwise.

    In truth, I rather have an FC where everyone are just themselves from a variety of backgrounds without the constant emphasis of “Community this, that, etc., & just be a regular FC within civility, etiquette, and tackle anyone being discriminatory regardless.

    I don’t truly care if an FC member is an LGBTQ, European/Caucasian, Weeb, Cop, Artist or whatever, I just see the individual as it is.

    Only judge whats bad of character
    I like you sir. I like you a lot.
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  9. #269
    Player Vryn's Avatar
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    Vryn Thorn
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    Lich
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vav2021 View Post
    According to the rules, at https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...5382&kid=68216 ,


    To which the first example is

    And I understand that they punish for off-game behaviour. Also, so treating people like garbage outside of the game is punishable.

    With all this being said, it almost seems redundant to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly" in a game where you must tolerate it both on and off the game, seeing as how guilds that aren't friendly would be punished.

    Is it redundant, or is it warranted even with the rules being as explicit as they are about a zero-tolerance (on and off game)?
    Yes, how else would we know you are self-righteous or morally good? These are the same people who want to tell you they are vegan and better than you because they are vegan. Also, Square Enix has no right to ban your account if you are speaking off their platform. This is an actual infringement of your rights as your speech in the public sphere is none of their business, even if you are distributing add-ons etc. Trying to social Engineer a population when off your game by holding a sword of Damocles above their head is an abomination, and they should be sued over this if it happens.
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    Last edited by Vryn; 05-19-2022 at 03:53 AM.

  10. #270
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    Mizuchi Hikaze
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    Sargatanas
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    We live in a weird world where you get encouraged to be yourself and to not change for others
    But then these same people will judge and ridicule you for not being one of them. If you're not with us, you're against us.
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