Is it necessary to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly"

[Kolsykol]

this thread, in summary:

I mean not rly, neither of those would be allowed.
As far as I know at least you're not allowed to exclude people based on these things in the game.

[Veranolth]

I'd say it may not be excluding straight people but thats how it can come off. Some folks just want a nice n solid group. Seeing advertisements like that tells me there's special treatment going on and let's me know thats a bigger focus.

Best groups I've been a part of are groups that just opt to treat everyone fair. No singling out or special focus. I don't don't see "black friendly" or any other advertisement like that (nor would I want to btw) as it's not needed. I prefer to treat people like people so that may be why I see it as unnecessary.

If they were to exclude straight people then they'd just say "LGBTQ+ only". My FC has a lot of straight people, and some are gay or trans.

[IkaraGreydancer]

If they were to exclude straight people then they'd just say "LGBTQ+ only". My FC has a lot of straight people, and some are gay or trans.

I said that's how it comes off to me. I've been in plenty where folks get offended at any little thing. Can't make this joke or use this word because a few folks don't like it. Have to constantly monitor yourself and to me that's to much. I don't even know why your orientation should even matter in the game frankly. The person themselves is what's important, not who they prefer to sleep with but I digress.

A simple "Be respectful to everyone" is all you need. None of this extra label stuff. If it works for ya it works, but to folks like myself we steer clear.

[Vav2021]

We even abandoned western games to them. Go be woke over there.

we did what?

[keichirou]

I'll be honest. When I see LBGTQ+ Friendly, I IMMEDIATELY run. I have not found a guild that is NOT LGBTQ+ friendly by default, but usually when a group is labeled as such just means they are just a different type of toxic. This obviously does not stand for all groups that label themselves as such, but just my own experience.

Same here, I made the big mistake of joining one a long time ago and one of the members started to hit on me...sorry but im 100% straight i won't tolerate those levels of disrespect.....but ohh I was the demon....the one that was in the wrong...I need to tolerate that! Like....boi ...gtfo, I would punch you if I could :/

[angienessyo]

Same here, I made the big mistake of joining one a long time ago and one of the members started to hit on me...sorry but im 100% straight i won't tolerate those levels of disrespect.....but ohh I was the demon....the one that was in the wrong...I need to tolerate that! Like....boi ...gtfo, I would punch you if I could :/

Did the person that hit on you back off when you let them know you're straight? Because if so I'm not sure how they were being disrespectful unless they hit on you in a really not ToS friendly way. But if not, obviously that's not okay for them to continue and that'd be really out of line for them. I'm a lesbian and have gotten hit on by straight men many times playing this game. As long as the guys are cool and back off/don't start being creepy about it when I let them know I'm not into men, it's never been a big deal. (sadly they don't always back off or get really weird and want really personal details about my love life when I let them know)

[RyuDragnier]

I'd say it may not be excluding straight people but thats how it can come off. Some folks just want a nice n solid group. Seeing advertisements like that tells me there's special treatment going on and let's me know thats a bigger focus.

Best groups I've been a part of are groups that just opt to treat everyone fair. No singling out or special focus. I don't don't see "black friendly" or any other advertisement like that (nor would I want to btw) as it's not needed. I prefer to treat people like people so that may be why I see it as unnecessary.

If you see "LGBTQ+ friendly" as "no straights", then you have some serious self thinking to do. Do you see "handicap accessible" as "only disabled" people as well? If the answer is no, ask yourself why you see "LGBTQ+ friendly" as wanting no straights, ask yourself why you THINK it's that way. Do you think it's because you yourself would exclude those people and expect them to do the same to you? Are you uncomfortable because you're scared of finding out you yourself are in fact not straight? Are you terrified of having your own world views challenged? Or do you just not want to have to come to terms with the fact that some minorities are still fighting to keep their own rights and lives safe, and that the world is in fact a hell of a lot more intolerant than you thought?

[Cyd3l]

This thread continues again and again to prove that 'LGBTQ+ friendly' is a necessary indicator for this community. So those who want it can find it, and those who wish to avoid it can avoid it.

[Magikazam]

If you see "LGBTQ+ friendly" as "no straights", then you have some serious self thinking to do. Do you see "handicap accessible" as "only disabled" people as well? If the answer is no, ask yourself why you see "LGBTQ+ friendly" as wanting no straights, ask yourself why you THINK it's that way. Do you think it's because you yourself would exclude those people and expect them to do the same to you? Are you uncomfortable because you're scared of finding out you yourself are in fact not straight? Are you terrified of having your own world views challenged? Or do you just not want to have to come to terms with the fact that some minorities are still fighting to keep their own rights and lives safe, and that the world is in fact a hell of a lot more intolerant than you thought?

Your attitude is the one I expect from people who feel the need to design themselves as ''LGBTQ+ friendly'' and it is the reason why some people want to avoid those kinds of groups.

[RyuDragnier]

Your attitude is the one I expect from people who feel the need to design themselves as ''LGBTQ+ friendly'' and it is the reason why some people want to avoid those kinds of groups.

Talk to me when you've been bullied, harassed, ostracized by family, treated like crap, and actively beaten up irl for being something other than straight. This stuff still happens to this day to people, so having the indicator that the space is friendly for the LGBTQ+ people is important. Acceptance is the main thing people want here, and there's a hell of a lot of people who won't accept LGBTQ+ people in this day and age.