In light of the recent discussions about 3rd party tools I have a bold suggestion

[SwingLifeAway]

You can't discount the argument on itself so you resort to the low hanging fruit of attacking the person who made it.

You are living in a world where people will admit that their argument has no foundation and accept that they are wrong. I'm sure it must be nice, but that world is very far separated from the kindergarten we find ourselves in on these forums.

[Enjuden]

It's the same as people discounting an entire post or opinion because of a spelling or grammar mistake. You're looking for a reason to discount what they are saying and when you find it you use your gotcha on them. It's absolutely a weapon to try to make them shut up and stop disagreeing with you. You can't discount the argument on itself so you resort to the low hanging fruit of attacking the person who made it.

It is not the same. I wouldn't have a clue on how healers operate, but if I were to disagree on what they would want, I would need a reason to be backed by anything. I can't provide that because I have no idea what I'm talking about for healers.

It's similar to those who are not able to do the minimum yet complain on how content is too difficult. If it has to do with numbers it would be one thing, but if they stated another reason, like P3 being what it is, then they have a point to stand on. It provides context IF it has to do specifically with how the job performs in an optimal situation.

[SomeRandomHuman]

The "issue" with parsing is that some people use that information to bully and harass other players. Imo there's nothing wrong with wanting to see your own numbers and look at how to improve. It's just when you misuse what it gives you that creates a massive problem.

Then it just riles up the whole argument that eventually de-rails into a dumpster fire in the middle of a toxic landfill.

[LittleImp]

It's the same as people discounting an entire post or opinion because of a spelling or grammar mistake. You're looking for a reason to discount what they are saying and when you find it you use your gotcha on them. It's absolutely a weapon to try to make them shut up and stop disagreeing with you. You can't discount the argument on itself so you resort to the low hanging fruit of attacking the person who made it.

It really, really isn't.

Imagine you attend a summit of doctors, and an unlicensed man off the street takes the stage and starts passionately expounding the health benefits of ingesting a mixture of lead, mercury and arsenic. Pointing out that the person is not a doctor and has no medical experience wouldn't be 'low hanging fruit' or akin to pointing out a grammatical error.

An example of a post where I pointed to someone's logs would be a tank who was irrationally angry because he felt that his healers were dpsing too much instead of healing him. His logs showed that despite being a tank running endgame content, he never uses defensive CDs and presses completely random buttons as his damage rotation. That information is immediately relevant to that persons behavior.

[Kaurhz]

I too have a bold suggestion for people.

If they haven't read the Terms of Service then they should not comment on the Terms of Service.

[EtherRose]

No, no and no. When are you and others going to understand that there is no "Gray" area. ToS specifically states no 3rd party programs. It doesn't matter if the impact is small or whatever. Because it then gets to the point of where "Well this is ok so maybe we should try this" and now you have a bunch of add-ons, etc., that people are using.

You dug your grave knowing full well what could happen and now that it is happening you want to complain?

[Vencio]

No, no and no. When are you and others going to understand that there is no "Gray" area. ToS specifically states no 3rd party programs. It doesn't matter if the impact is small or whatever. Because it then gets to the point of where "Well this is ok so maybe we should try this" and now you have a bunch of add-ons, etc., that people are using.

You dug your grave knowing full well what could happen and now that it is happening you want to complain?

My point precisely,

Even though my approach seemed “apparently condescending” though be it far from the truth, it’s just the relentless crusade some of the players are attempting to pacify it & coming with unusual statements indicating it wasn’t in such itent to harm or rather being beneficial when in it was neither one & it still went against ToS rules,

Like someome labelled me as smug, here’s my stance for you -Sips red wine like a snob Elezen- hope that was creative enough

[anhaato]

No, no and no. When are you and others going to understand that there is no "Gray" area. ToS specifically states no 3rd party programs. It doesn't matter if the impact is small or whatever. Because it then gets to the point of where "Well this is ok so maybe we should try this" and now you have a bunch of add-ons, etc., that people are using.

You dug your grave knowing full well what could happen and now that it is happening you want to complain?

You're talking about how horrible things are now because people are using addons but I still haven't seen one person discuss any real detriment to their experience that came as a result of addon usage. The best I get out of any of you is a variation of "it's unfair" or, like I said in the op, a disingenuous take based in not actually knowing anything about addons. Once again, I don't use any gameplay altering addons or ACT, but the fact that others do is no skin off my nose. I loathe the idea of rotations being consolidated to single buttons but some people use addons for that purpose, and I don't care that they do. I think wow's ui is completely ugly but some people use addons to alter the ingame ui to look more like wow's because they're more comfortable with it, and I don't care that they do. It doesn't affect anyone's ingame experience, but you're talking about "and now you have" as if we've suddenly gone down some slippery slope and things are oh so horrible because of stinky addon users.

[MintnHoney]

You dug your grave knowing full well what could happen and now that it is happening you want to complain?

This argument again.
The devs fostered these communities, allowed them to grow, and now they have to deal with the consequences of doing a 180 with no warning while continuing to remain vague about what is and isn't allowed. It isn't as if the devs didn't know this was happening. It's not like they don't know about the websites, the cosmetic mods, the various discords, etc. They left them alone and, although they've warned against using various add-ons and taken on a public stance, their private stance is just as vague as their TOS.

It's not just about the mods or add-ons, it's not just about the witch-hunts, it's not just about Vencio's need to be correct even though he can't construct a solid thought beyond an idle musing, it's all of those things, combined with how the devs have been wishy-washy on what they've taken as acceptable behavior and evidence for such behavior for reporting purposes, as well as how harshly they enforce their TOS.
To give you an example, this is like a teacher saying that there's no eating food in class letting their students eat in class as long as they're not being messy or obnoxious. Suddenly, towards the end of the year, the teacher comes up and slaps one of their students for eating in class, but still doesn't take away or make them put away the food, they just loudly announce, to the class, after all these months, that there's no eating in class, and returns to their desk to sit and grade papers before loudly complaining that they'll need to stop giving out gold stars if people are going to get hungry when taking tests.
There's no feedback besides the slapped student and passive aggressive complaining to no one, so of course people are bewildered and even upset. Meanwhile you have Mary Sue and Gary Stu off to the side snickering, pointing fingers, and raising their noses at everyone else because "the teacher SAID."

[Kaurhz]

You're talking about how horrible things are now because people are using addons but I still haven't seen one person discuss any real detriment to their experience that came as a result of addon usage. The best I get out of any of you is a variation of "it's unfair" or, like I said in the op, a disingenuous take based in not actually knowing anything about addons. Once again, I don't use any gameplay altering addons or ACT, but the fact that others do is no skin off my nose. I loathe the idea of rotations being consolidated to single buttons but some people use addons for that purpose, and I don't care that they do. I think wow's ui is completely ugly but some people use addons to alter the ingame ui to look more like wow's because they're more comfortable with it, and I don't care that they do. It doesn't affect anyone's ingame experience, but you're talking about "and now you have" as if we've suddenly gone down some slippery slope and things are oh so horrible because of stinky addon users.

It really depends really in the direction that the tools themselves go. That said, I don't think your apathy and indifference to the situation regarding addons is a real justification for you trying to push aside or dismiss the concerns of other individuals regarding an uneven footing. If you wish to be apathetic towards the situation, then by all means. -- The situation can take a turn for the worst if the developers elect to take the course of action where addons influence encounter and mechanic design in any capacity.

Furthermore, if you think that ACT and the addons therein are limited exclusively to combat (parsing and raiding), which I least of all posit from your OP, then you yourself should really steer clear of this topic in any real capacity because addons can be quite extensive in which areas of the game they cover or can be utilized. -- I can assure you that there are addons which inarguably do fall within the realm of cheating - and in this regard, just because you feel indifference to this subject, do not expect the same courtesy from individuals.

TL;DR: Just because you don't find the situation as poor, this does not mean that the situation is in fact not poor. Furthermore, if you think addons are only utilized within the raiding and parse logging facets then you're just as clueless as everyone else as to what addons can and cannot do.

Edit: You see this is the whole problem with creating a permissible or a forbidden list of addons. Contrary to some limiting beliefs, what addons can accomplish is quite extensive. This reigns true for practically any game ever created that involves the use of addons. -- To do such requires looking at absolutely every single addon.