Is it necessary to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly"

[AziraSyuren]

It's always good to do whatever it takes to make marginalized people feel safer in an environment. Harassment and bigotry can always be hidden behind a veil of plausible deniability that can make it harder for GMs to act on it.

[Necrotica]

The hatred is misplaced. We as a community should be coming together to exterminate the beastmen menace. Their primal summoning ways cannot be allowed to continue.

[Veranolth]

It is necessary. There are anti-LGBTQ+ people out there and our FC is very much LGBTQ+ friendly so we try to advertise as such so we don't get the anti-LGBTQ+ into the FC.

[BrokentoothMarch]

I avoid places that advertise that like the plague. For the same reason I'm loathe to be called "brave" just because I sometimes swing for the same team. I don't tie myself to anything based on sexuality or identity. I tie myself to people in this game based on whether we do the same kind of content and have the same kind of interest.

It's that simple.

It is necessary. There are anti-LGBTQ+ out there and our FC is very much LGBTQ+ friendly so we try to advertise as such so we don't get the anti-LGBTQ+ into the FC.

Literally impossible as that's against the rules. If you find it and have verifiable evidence, then report it. Once again: it's that simple.

[Amorzinho]

Literally impossible as that's against the rules. If you find it and have verifiable evidence, then report it. Once again: it's that simple.

I reported a few, since some was through Discord only, nothing happened, couldn't offer a screenshot and video with audiotracks since the GM never contacted me. And one i reported with their chat in game, to this day i see the person there just fine on the same place as always doing the same thing

[DamianFatale]

According to the rules, at https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...5382&kid=68216 ,


To which the first example is

And I understand that they punish for off-game behavior. as well, so treating people like garbage outside of the game is punishable.

With all this being said, it almost seems redundant to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly" in a game where you are required to tolerate it both on and off the game, seeing as how guilds that aren't friendly would be punished.

Is it redundant, or is it warranted even with the rules being as explicit as they are about a zero tolerance (on and off game) about it?

As a queer trans individual, let me tell you something. Just because the mods SAY you should be a certain way, does not mean people will listen. A game can have it clearly stated that homophobia, transphobia, and sexism are not allowed, but you will see people still clearly and openly doing it. People don't mind excluding people they don't like, no matter how it effects them. You could be that one queer individual that simply says one thing a group does not agree with, and then be booted out when it would otherwise clearly break the rules.

People are less likely to be racist, but when it comes to the other types of harassment, it will always be seen as more of a grey area to be that way, and people do get away with it all of the time. I have rarely heard of the mods actually sticking up for us. It's mostly left to the players to deal with.

There's also this mindset of people who do not think that the rule is there. It could be stated plainly, but alt right/bigoted people will often use lies, and made up things they think of as fact to convince people that they aren't doing anything wrong, and play it like this game doesn't have queer people, trans people, etc. It happens all the time.

[BrokentoothMarch]

I reported a few, since some was through Discord only, nothing happened, couldn't offer a screenshot and video with audiotracks since the GM never contacted me. And one i reported with their chat in game, to this day i see the person there just fine on the same place as always doing the same thing

I fail to see the issue. Sadly, Discord is not affiliated with FFXIV and rightfully so. I don't see why people doing things outside the game should be... Punished in game. At that point, the correct report would be submitted to Discord or for you to simply leave. I'm not sure about you, but I don't make a habit to stay where I'm not wanted.

And mayhaps it was their first offense. Though you may not feel vindicated, rare is the time a permanent on first offense is warranted.

[DamianFatale]

I fail to see the issue. Sadly, Discord is not affiliated with FFXIV and rightfully so. I don't see why people doing things outside the game should be... Punished in game. At that point, the correct report would be submitted to Discord or for you to simply leave. I'm not sure about you, but I don't make a habit to stay where I'm not wanted.

And mayhaps it was their first offense. Though you may not feel vindicated, rare is the time a permanent on first offense is warranted.

It fully depends on what the situation is about. Is it someone admitting something they did in game? I.e. threatening to do something in the game, admitting something awful done in game etc. Harassment can jump from social media platforms to FFXIV, and its important that if proper evidence is submitted, that the gms look at that. There's also brigades that happen on other social networks, and lead to someone getting mass reported, and/or banned from the game as a result.

It's important for the moderators to be discerning when it comes to outside information, but it should never be dismissed right out of the bag. That would be highly foolish. People have a mindset that admitting in game is bad, but admitting outside of the game doesn't have any effect, and that is not a healthy mentality.

[MilkieTea]

I fail to see the issue. Sadly, Discord is not affiliated with FFXIV and rightfully so. I don't see why people doing things outside the game should be... Punished in game. At that point, the correct report would be submitted to Discord or for you to simply leave. I'm not sure about you, but I don't make a habit to stay where I'm not wanted.

And mayhaps it was their first offense. Though you may not feel vindicated, rare is the time a permanent on first offense is warranted.

Report or not, the point is that they exist. Having a group outright say “hey we do not discriminate” is necessary because the alternative is groups like the one the person you replied to mentioned. You’re missing the point.

[BrokentoothMarch]

It fully depends on what the situation is about. Is it someone admitting something they did in game? I.e. threatening to do something in the game, admitting something awful done in game etc. Harassment can jump from social media platforms to FFXIV, and its important that if proper evidence is submitted, that the gms look at that. There's also brigades that happen on other social networks, and lead to someone getting mass reported, and/or banned from the game as a result.

It's important for the moderators to be discerning when it comes to outside information, but it should never be dismissed right out of the bag. That would be highly foolish. People have a mindset that admitting in game is bad, but admitting outside of the game doesn't have any effect, and that is not a healthy mentality.

It really does not depend. It didn't happen in-game, so no repercussions in game. These are different ecosystems and no matter how much you intrinsically tie them together, they simply aren't related. And honestly? Good. I'd hate to assume your computer literacy, but you'd probably know how simple it is to Inspect Element and write whatever you damn well please, effectively making false proof that'd pass the Photoshop test, should one even bother to dissect that.

Admitting in game is bad. Admitting out of game doesn't have an affect and SHOULD NOT. Were I to jokingly say I modded the Scions to be sentient pencils on Discord, should that get me nixed? An extreme example, but once we remove the barriers of the ecosystem, things start to slip out of control because we no longer know what is what's jurisdiction.

The mass report is an unfortunate reality of this truth, but competent moderation would more than likely pick up on suddenly 500 instantaneous reports on one single person who never got one before. Though of course, it'd be terrible if I implied moderation in this game was incompetent and that the "Best Community In The Industry" would stoop to such levels. /s

Sarcasm aside, there's no perfect answer to this. I just know I'd be a bit peeved if SE started thinking that things said in completely different aforementioned ecosystems was suddenly their problem. Until Discord is bought by SE, they're separate. For better or for worse.

Report or not, the point is that they exist. Having a group outright say “hey we do not discriminate” is necessary because the alternative is groups like the one the person you replied to mentioned. You’re missing the point.

You disregarded the solution then repeated yourself. I'm sorry, but I can't really make much of this. If you're so set in your ways, then go ahead. It doesn't harm me that people advertise this. I hardly care. I'm simply stating the logic to report and that I avoid those advertisers because most my experiences with them have been a net negative, to say nothing that we're often wholly interested in different things in the game, making the FC or group moot to me.