Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
[outsmarting Ascians]
While it didn't lead to an Ascian's demise, one more big outsmarting was Urianger carrying out his scheme to get the Warriors of Darkness and Light together, all the while convincing Elidibus that he was on his side.


Quote Originally Posted by sidurgu-12 View Post
time travel was based on Alexander which was made in part because of an ascian so credits due on that but the physical shard crossing was pure sundered.
I think Ascian involvement in those events is a bit distant to credit them in the invention of time travel itself. All Travanchet did was give Mide an object that could create a primal, and in the end it wasn't even Mide who summoned it. (I don't believe the horn was actually accounted for between the initial summoning-interrupted-by-future-Alexander and it becoming the primal's core? Perhaps it simply dropped into the river.)

Alexander was ultimately summoned by the Illuminati and I think the weird time loop business meant they already expected it to be capable of time travel? Either that or it came out of their wishes rather than anyone's actual technological ability.

From there, it was Cid who had to develop a theory of time travel based on Alexander, with Omega tech being brought in later to allow safe traversal of the rift.


Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
This strikes me as a silly assertion to debate over, because the unsundered are now extinct and humanity is still progressing.
To be fair, the ancients being extinct has little to do with their relative intelligence levels.

Though modern humans are intelligent enough, so what would "fourteen times as intelligent" even look like?