MRS SMITH

[QT_Melon]

that's the whole argument here: they can enforce or not enforce the rule whenever they want to whoever they want, because third party tools encompasses something every single player uses.
the argument is whether this is a fair enforcement of the rules or not

Is it though? Can they see everyone's discord? No? - okay so they're gonna just ban you for something they literally said time and time and again they can't see.

When COULD they see it? If you're streaming with it and using tools, like say AN API that uses the bot that directly interacts with the game...like say using the function that used to let people see Marketboard prices across servers. OR say you hooked up the bot to an ACT callout trigger for your group. But SE wouldn't know any of this unless you display this publicly.

But I mean hey, we can keep playing chicken little.

[SeiyaSoiya]

Is it though? Can they see everyone's discord? No? - okay so they're gonna just ban you for something they literally said time and time and again they can't see.

When COULD they see it? If you're streaming with it and using tools, like say AN API that uses the bot that directly interacts with the game...like say using the function that used to let people see Marketboard prices across servers. OR say you hooked up the bot to an ACT callout trigger for your group. But SE wouldn't know any of this unless you display this publicly.

But I mean hey, we can keep playing chicken little.

that's the beauty, they don't have to tell you it's discord, they just send a GM and say you used third party tools and now you are suspended.
You can claim you never used any third party tools but
1. nobody will believe you
2. you probably did use discord
3. you cannot appeal this decision
4. you cannot demand a review of this action
5. you can only request the data they collected from you if you live in an EU country and submit a GDPR request that takes about a month to complete, and will probably result in useless data

the argument is whether these 5 points are a fair set of rules

[QT_Melon]

that's the beauty, they don't have to tell you it's discord, they just send a GM and say you used third party tools and now you are suspended.
You can claim you never used any third party tools but
1. nobody will believe you
2. you probably did use discord
3. you cannot appeal this decision
4. you cannot demand a review of this action
5. you can only request the data they collected from you if you live in an EU country and submit a GDPR request that takes about a month to complete, and will probably result in useless data

the argument is whether these 5 points are a fair set of rules

Sure, so now with this Shadow Illuminati group. You have evidence to support your claim? Or are you just "supposing"?

I mean what is happening is an obvious result of heavily viewed Race, not some sneaky SE employee twirling their mustache looking for someone to stream Discord to ban them and nO One wILL eVEr know

[MintnHoney]

Sure, so now with this Shadow Illuminati group. You have evidence to support your claim? Or are you just "supposing"?

I mean what is happening is an obvious result of heavily viewed Race, not some sneaky SE employee twirling their mustache looking for someone to stream Discord to ban them and nO One wILL eVEr know

On the other hand, that is the truth about how SE handles any counter inquiry for wrong doing, apparently. No details, no reasons, no times listed, just... go to the corner, because "we say so."
Which, yeah, it's their game, but I think people should be allowed to know what they actually did, on the offchance that they did something while not actually knowing that it was wrong.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

On the other hand, that is the truth about how SE handles any counter inquiry for wrong doing, apparently. No details, no reasons, no times listed, just... go to the corner, because "we say so."
Which, yeah, it's their game, but I think people should be allowed to know what they actually did, on the offchance that they did something while not actually knowing that it was wrong.

They don't just ban for no reason....

There's always a reason and people who get banned know it, they just use the "they won't tell me who I harassed" as "they won't tell me what I did wrong, so obviously I did nothing wrong and have no way to know what it was that set them off to ban me" it's especially fun with streamers who have vods of them harassing people to the point where they don't know which video to take down because they harassed so many people...

Like.. Please.

[MintnHoney]

They don't just ban for no reason....

I'm not saying they are.

I am saying, however, that the player in question should be made aware of what they'd done, which is something that does not seem to happen. It adds credence to the decision, and it ensures that, again, on the off-chance that someone doesn't actually know what they did, that they are made aware that "x" was wrong and that they shouldn't do it again.

[QT_Melon]

I'm not saying they are.

I am saying, however, that the player in question should be made aware of what they'd done, which is something that does not seem to happen. It adds credence to the decision, and it ensures that, again, on the off-chance that someone doesn't actually know what they did, that they are made aware that "x" was wrong and that they shouldn't do it again.

Yeah sure, tell them the player they harassed.

Have you actually been banned? What do you mean vague, and what does that have to do with the current discussion.

HEY YOU BANNED ME FOR EATING CANDY BUT DIDN'T TELL ME WHICH BRAND!