Tale of Emet [FF14 x Nier Reincarnation event story]

[Theodric]

time travel was based on Alexander which was made in part because of an ascian so credits due on that but the physical shard crossing was pure sundered.

Huh? Time travel was largely based off exceptionally advanced technology that was placed into the hands of the Sundered as a consequence of Omega arriving on Etheirys. If not for Omega's arrival, the feat would very likely have not have been possible.

Much in the same way as how the arrival of the dragons gave the Sundered access to very powerful entities to lean on for aid in a pinch on numerous occasions.

I don't know about you, though if a powerful alien entity stopped by tomorrow to give me a cup of tea and the power to transcend mortal limits then it'd be pretty hard to credit myself as the reason for victory. At a stretch I could say I accomplished an impressive feat but the bulk of the credit would go to the entity that empowered me.

[MikkoAkure]

Huh? Time travel was largely based off exceptionally advanced technology that was placed into the hands of the Sundered as a consequence of Omega arriving on Etheirys. If not for Omega's arrival, the feat would very likely have not have been possible.

Omega isn't time travel, Alexander is. Omega was studied to travel in the void between dimensions, the Crystal Tower was studied to open a portal between Reflections, and Alexander was studied to travel time.

The thing is, is that Cid and Nero both were given their education by Garleans who were educated by Emet-selch in the ways of Magitek. And every advancement in those fields was done by reverse engineering Allagan technology, which was created by Emet-selch.

The seedbed that Cid flourished in was laid by Emet-selch.

And in the end, they built the Tycoon, which is a blow for blow match-up of Alexander Prime. It's less theory and more recreation. The real achievement is the blending of it with two other technologies. However, Allagan technology is based off of Omega's technology, but we have no exact road map of who did that.

Anyway, not trying to kill 8UC's achievement, but it's literally not possible without Cid whose level of technical expertise is impossible without Solus yae Galvus introducing Magitek to the Garleans.

The Ascians may have created the originals, but the Sundered perfected it. All modern achievements are made standing on the shoulders of giants and it doesn't change the fact that the Ascians didn't come up with the application of the possibilities themselves, or else they could have fixed this whole thing a long time ago. And then Elidibus took the 8UC's feats even further by studying them and making a portal to over 12,000 years ago.

[Vyrerus]

or else they could have fixed this whole thing a long time ago.

Honestly, ever since SHB, this has made Alexander and time travel in the setting a gaping plot hole as far as the Ascians are concerned. I know we can attribute it to stuff like they didn't know they were going where they were going with the Ascians back in Heavensward, but the plot has never addressed how an Ascian pretty much told Mide to summon Alexander with the horn 3 years prior to HW vs. what the Ascian's goals are.

It's even more of a slap when you replay Alexander raids, and the Goblins and Mide's crew are going on about, "Making a Utopia/perfect world."

You'd think control over Alexander would be priority #1 for the Ascians, cause hell, if the Illuminati can make it work, why not the, "Primordial Heroes?" They don't even need technology outside of Alexander since they don't need spatial movement since they're not trying to prevent a Rejoining.

Kinda hoping someday we get a Tales from the Chamberpot, and we get some sorta AU Ascian Alexander shenanigan story where they go back in time, but...

[Cleretic]

You'd think control over Alexander would be priority #1 for the Ascians, cause hell, if the Illuminati can make it work, why not the, "Primordial Heroes?" They don't even need technology outside of Alexander since they don't need spatial movement since they're not trying to prevent a Rejoining.

You assume the Ascians actually knew that was going on. They were a little preoccupied at the time.

The only Ascian influence on Alexander as it was going on was Travanchet supplying the treasure of Seal Rock, but I think that was more just general primal-summoning agitations; he knows there's potential for a primal there, he already knew they tried, he just has to stoke the flames. Chances are he didn't know time travel was going to happen at all, because the Illuminati were basically the only people involved who did know that was gonna happen!

Which, when you think about it... good job, Travanchet. The demise of the Ascians was basically his fault.

[Vyrerus]

You assume the Ascians actually knew that was going on. They were a little preoccupied at the time.

The only Ascian influence on Alexander as it was going on was Travanchet supplying the treasure of Seal Rock, but I think that was more just general primal-summoning agitations; he knows there's potential for a primal there, he already knew they tried, he just has to stoke the flames. Chances are he didn't know time travel was going to happen at all, because the Illuminati were basically the only people involved who did know that was gonna happen!

Which, when you think about it... good job, Travanchet. The demise of the Ascians was basically his fault.

He told Mide the exact place to summon Alexander though. How could he know that without knowing what was going to be summoned?

[Vyrerus]

You assume the Ascians actually knew that was going on. They were a little preoccupied at the time.

The only Ascian influence on Alexander as it was going on was Travanchet supplying the treasure of Seal Rock, but I think that was more just general primal-summoning agitations; he knows there's potential for a primal there, he already knew they tried, he just has to stoke the flames. Chances are he didn't know time travel was going to happen at all, because the Illuminati were basically the only people involved who did know that was gonna happen!

Which, when you think about it... good job, Travanchet. The demise of the Ascians was basically his fault.

But yeah, totally just general primal shenanigans. Reuniting the very specific Macguffin at the very specific river location for Mide's very specific desire was just all coincidental.

[MikkoAkure]

But yeah, totally just general primal shenanigans. Reuniting the very specific Macguffin at the very specific river location for Mide's very specific desire was just all coincidental.

Alexander can see all timelines past, present, and future, and all possible permutations of the "perfect world" and decides that the perfect world cannot exist with him in it and specifically decides to seal itself away and put its hope in our WoL so neither Travanchet nor any of the Ascians would have been able to do anything with it anyway. This could also retroactively mean that it knows about the Ancients, the Tycoon, the 8UC, and the Final Final Days and decides that it's all better than letting the Ascians win so there's that.

Plus Alexander draws so much aether from the planet itself that it is specifically stated that it would cause another Calamity if left to run on its own so yeah, sounds like generic primal shenanigans.

[Cleretic]

But yeah, totally just general primal shenanigans. Reuniting the very specific Macguffin at the very specific river location for Mide's very specific desire was just all coincidental.

Presuming that he saw their failed attempt, he knows how to make this thing go big. He knows what the treasure of Seal Rock does, he knows that the primal they're trying to summon is a huge goddamn chunker. Given that what we know he wanted to do was to use Alexander's continued existence to cause a Calamity by draining the entire planet dry (it was one of the many plans for a light-aligned Calamity), yeah, he knows the right place to put them. Alexander's a big robot, can't summon a big robot without a good clear site to summon the entire robot. Especially given the lake gives reasonable cover against the summon being noticed too quickly.

[Iscah]

He told Mide the exact place to summon Alexander though. How could he know that without knowing what was going to be summoned?

I would have to go over all the background again to see who knows what and when, but do any of them know at that point that they are trying to create something that can time-travel, or simply a utopian city?

It sounds more like he's egging her on to do a thing she already has the basic plans for. Perhaps even the location, as it's a bit too vague a description for them to find it otherwise, or at least to not potentially find a different ruin somewhere else.

lPlus Alexander draws so much aether from the planet itself that it is specifically stated that it would cause another Calamity if left to run on its own so yeah, sounds like generic primal shenanigans.

Not only that, but from the Alexander Prime fight it is evidently a Light-aspected primal. If it was going to bring about a calamity, it was likely going to be the eighth.

Presuming that he saw their failed attempt, he knows how to make this thing go big.

I think you might be getting your sequence confused, unless I'm the one mistaken.

I'm pretty sure they only made one attempt to summon Alexander, which was the one we saw interrupted by our time travelling incident.

As I said earlier, I don't recall any mention of what happened to the horn after that, but it possible that it fell in the river and then later all the Illuminati has to do was wish really hard in the right place and the primal took form in accordance with their wishes.

[EdwinLi]

But yeah, totally just general primal shenanigans. Reuniting the very specific Macguffin at the very specific river location for Mide's very specific desire was just all coincidental.

I honestly still wonder what became of Travanchet. His fate is one of the remaining unanswered questions in FF14 from 1.0 era.