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    Payadopa Astraya
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    Someone points at someone else using 3rd party tools and SE bans them because they are using 3rd party tools. I see no issue with that.
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    Ixa X'phele
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    Someone points at someone else using 3rd party tools and SE bans them because they are using 3rd party tools. I see no issue with that.
    Problem with that that so many use third party stuff.
    Raiders use parsers.
    Home decorators use mods to float furniture or w/e
    RPers use chat bubble mods etc.

    This mass reporting is equivalent to snitching on somebody for smoking pot.
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    Lihtleita Lonstyrmwyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post

    This mass reporting is equivalent to snitching on somebody for smoking pot.
    this is a jp game, smoking pot will land you in jail
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    this is a jp game, smoking pot will land you in jail
    Really? Good thing then that I smoke weed and not pot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    this is a jp game, smoking pot will land you in jail
    They cant prove you were actually smoking pot.
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    Kris Goldenshield
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Problem with that that so many use third party stuff.
    Raiders use parsers.
    Home decorators use mods to float furniture or w/e
    RPers use chat bubble mods etc.

    This mass reporting is equivalent to snitching on somebody for smoking pot.
    Then don't "smoke pot" on public TV with 1,000s of people watching, knowing full well it's against the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somnolence View Post
    Per EU Court of Justice ruling EULAs and ToS are legally irrelevant. Too bad companies get away with them still because EU has to waste time with never ending anti-consumer practices of big fish like Apple.
    There is nothing illegal about a company enforcing their own rules as long as their rules aren't themselves breaking any laws.

    Feel free to challenge in some court with "omgz I got banned for breaking the rulez! Punish them for me EU! Make them reverse it!"
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    Last edited by kaynide; 05-12-2022 at 01:28 AM.

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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Payadopa View Post
    Someone points at someone else using 3rd party tools and SE bans them because they are using 3rd party tools. I see no issue with that.
    Lol, this just isn't the case though. Are you really that oblivious to all the complaints, threads and so forth everywhere complaining about how obvious bots and cheaters weren't getting banned despite being reported? Even if we ignore Eureka bots and so forth, remember the outrage over that BLM in Gordias with the 2 second GCD? They never got banned for that.

    Someone pointing at someone else using 3rd party tools isn't going to get someone banned. There's over 10 years of evidence right here on these forums that document exactly that.

    This is about it requiring mass reporting from 5ch to make it happen. No matter which side of the camp you're on with ToS breaking mods. This is wrong.

    If someone is obviously cheating, it should probably be addressed fairly, irrespective of if they get 2 reports or 200.

    The number of reports shouldn't decide the severity of the punishment. That's just wrong and there's a very big reason why reality doesn't work like this.
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    Mia Shino
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    Lol, this just isn't the case though. Are you really that oblivious to all the complaints, threads and so forth everywhere complaining about how obvious bots and cheaters weren't getting banned despite being reported? Even if we ignore Eureka bots and so forth, remember the outrage over that BLM in Gordias with the 2 second GCD? They never got banned for that.

    Someone pointing at someone else using 3rd party tools isn't going to get someone banned. There's over 10 years of evidence right here on these forums that document exactly that.

    This is about it requiring mass reporting from 5ch to make it happen. No matter which side of the camp you're on with ToS breaking mods. This is wrong.

    If someone is obviously cheating, it should probably be addressed fairly, irrespective of if they get 2 reports or 200.

    The number of reports shouldn't decide the severity of the punishment. That's just wrong and there's a very big reason why reality doesn't work like this.
    There is streamer ViolentDestruction who reported a cheater multiple times on stream. PVP using speed hack and anti crowd control something, uncertain how this stuffs work. Took one week if am remembering correctly for any action to be taken. They were top rank for almost entire time. Continued to return after being reported with name change every time. Likely knew they were being reported by watching stream.

    Also know that stock GM message changes upon certain report threshold. Was playing with the friends doing alliance raid. Someone was AFK then became most aggressive when called out. Of course we report them because tis not okay. Some friends received the standard "We are sorry this has occurred" stock message while other friends who reported the person last got different "We have received enough to begin investigation" message.
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