My long-standing gripes with MCH and physical ranged in general

[tearagion]

Firstly, MCH isn't competing with MNK/NIN for party slot considering you don't share a role with them. Second BLM is going to be the selfish DPS pick of any given static over a MCH in most scenarios. This post isn't a discussion about pug groups or PFing, this is about MCH being simply not desired in static recruitment.

Also just because the available numbers show that people are clearing tier on MCH this far into the tier means nothing. At the start of the tier up to a couple months into the tier MCH saw a 2% representation. If they don't buff the job it'll be the same story the next tier just like it was this tier where nobody wants it because it simply doesn't provide anything meaningful to the group because its personal damage is pathetic and it has nothing equivalent to songs/steps.

I've run, and been in statics run by others, that don't have any issue with MCH players. You can have 2 "selfish" DPS, I've been in a static with all 3 and progression was totally fine. The only caveat is bleeding-edge speed, or progression groups.
If it's clearing it's being accepted into groups, this sounds like a personal problem.

[dobikoobi]

as a range main i agree with everything here. i have more responsibilities compared to other DPS like to know all the mechanics in a fight Tanks buster ,raid wide AoEs, baited AoEs and healer checks. i use skills like Nature's minuet, troubadour, improvisation, and curing waltz. i know some melees that didn't even have feint in their hot bar till i told him we needed it for a tank buster. i can't even tell you how many time I just randomly explode when I'm stacked with the group for the whole time.
on the topic of MCH in the raiding scene it's knew as a meme. why bring a MCH that can almost get the 3rd highest damage when you can bring a bard or dancer that help out the whole raid. i get it the dev team doesn't want the meta to be two phys range like a few expansions ago. if they keep going the way they are the role is going to be harder to find people that want to play it. personally i been thinking about swapping roles to tank. only because i know they always be needed and it's fun for me.

i love pyhs range, the role will always be my favorite. as it stands i'm dissatisfied with the role and i wonder how much longer before the 1% we bring is going to be worth us to raid.

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[Jirah]

Stopped reading after you said it’s one of the better designed kits, just sounds like your want meta jobs. If you felt MCH was unrewarding or crappy design you’d go from there but since it isn’t, why complain? Because it’s numbers are low and doesn’t have vercure or some other crap? Who cares. you shouldn’t in theory anyways

[iiTzSeb]

Stopped reading after you said it’s one of the better designed kits, just sounds like your want meta jobs. If you felt MCH was unrewarding or crappy design you’d go from there but since it isn’t, why complain? Because it’s numbers are low and doesn’t have vercure or some other crap? Who cares. you shouldn’t in theory anyways

MCH's kit feels smooth, what you think on that matter is irrelevant. Also yeah I want the job to be more relevant in the raid meta because as it stands it's in a terrible spot damage wise, why are you repeating what the post already said? Also nobody is asking for vercure, I'm SUGGESTING they increase MCH's damage because it's appallingly low. Though these are things you'd only understand if you actually raided or played MCH in any content so I won't fault you for not knowing any better.

If you felt MCH was unrewarding or crappy design you’d go from there but since it isn’t, why complain?

Also I'd be confused too if I made a response to a post without reading it. Pays to know the context before talking I guess.

[iiTzSeb]

If it's clearing it's being accepted into groups, this sounds like a personal problem.

This is not accurate. We had PLDs clearing the savage tier first week and there were many PLD logs, but it was facing the SAME vitriol from static leads where people were actively being snubbed because of them playing PLD. There's been multiple content creators who've made videos on the state of both PLD and MCH since 6.0 and the only one of the two that's seen any SIGNIFICANT change is PLD with actual meaningful damage increases across the board and QoL changes. MCH has gotten a handful of mostly inconsequential potency buffs that only increased its damage by 3% since the start of the expansion. Hardly even a buff honestly.

[Sorzai]

I agree for the most part, except for the part bout MCH's kit. We are having this issue because the MCH's kit is trash, their numbers are trash too. Hence why I can understand nobody wants one in their party.

[tearagion]

This is not accurate. We had PLDs clearing the savage tier first week and there were many PLD logs, but it was facing the SAME vitriol from static leads where people were actively being snubbed because of them playing PLD. There's been multiple content creators who've made videos on the state of both PLD and MCH since 6.0 and the only one of the two that's seen any SIGNIFICANT change is PLD with actual meaningful damage increases across the board and QoL changes. MCH has gotten a handful of mostly inconsequential potency buffs that only increased its damage by 3% since the start of the expansion. Hardly even a buff honestly.

rDPS on MCH is on par with the other phys ranged, you're being hysterical.

[Darkpaw]

I become curious as to how long you have played mch, while i agree it’s current iteration needs work. (To which im 90% sure Yoshi P specifically mentioned more drastic mch changes coming in 6.2) potency buffs will not fix MCH.

Wildfire no matter how you cut it is an uninteresting mechanic that cant crit or dhit. Queen is a overly glorified dot, ping you rightly point out is an issue with overheat.

You say the rotation and kit feel smooth, i disagree. With 2 stacks of reassembled and both drill and chainsaw it doesn’t to me feel smooth. It feels overly cramped to artificially boost apm.

I’m sure at times it can be difficult to find a static who would prefer other jobs in the ranged role, but you have to keep looking.

Mch is not in the best of spots but i doubt it is anywhere near as bad as it was in stormblood where people literally actively avoided mch’s like the plague.

[iiTzSeb]

rDPS on MCH is on par with the other phys ranged, you're being hysterical.

You forget that DNC's DP isn't accounted for in rDPS, so no, DNC does provide a higher raid boost than MCH does at the moment and BRD is more desirable because of its ability to buff and also cleanse/help heal tanks after TBs. MCH just offers damage and not much of it.

Also out of the 35 unique teams that have cleared DRS, some of which have even reprogged and recleared there is not a single MCH clear. Nobody wants to play it in endgame raids unless it's week 1000 meme reclears. The job isn't picked for early prog because DNC/BRD are just better and provide more utility skills.

[iiTzSeb]

I become curious as to how long you have played mch, while i agree it’s current iteration needs work. (To which im 90% sure Yoshi P specifically mentioned more drastic mch changes coming in 6.2) potency buffs will not fix MCH.

Wildfire no matter how you cut it is an uninteresting mechanic that cant crit or dhit. Queen is a overly glorified dot, ping you rightly point out is an issue with overheat.

You say the rotation and kit feel smooth, i disagree. With 2 stacks of reassembled and both drill and chainsaw it doesn’t to me feel smooth. It feels overly cramped to artificially boost apm.

I’m sure at times it can be difficult to find a static who would prefer other jobs in the ranged role, but you have to keep looking.

Mch is not in the best of spots but i doubt it is anywhere near as bad as it was in stormblood where people literally actively avoided mch’s like the plague.

Been on MCH since Eden's Verse when I swapped to it for the first time to blind prog Shiva with a group. Atm I recently held rank 1 spot for P4Sp1 for a bit but only lasted a day before I got beaten out.

I don't so much see the issue on reassemble being 2 stacks mostly because I feel like it's just that way so we can let the CD drift without overcapping/losing a use through a fight if we hold it for the drill/drill clones.

It's mostly difficult finding a Ultimate static, savage groups not as hard to get into. Also iirc SB MCH was nuts

I don't particularly do the balance's suggested rotation because I don't find it comfy, I end up doing my own thing (which you can easily find in the usual place if you know where to look, I don't mind people peeking at it) sure it's not the "optimal" rotation but it was good enough to get a 100 during a relatively lazy weekly reclear with my current static where 2 players are first time savage raiders, so that's good in my book LOL

But yeah I mainly think if MCH just got more damage it'd be fine as it is.