Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Shurrikhan]

I miss cleric stance. It's kinda nuts how it's just one button, but knowing when to use it made all the difference.

This feels like conflation. Cleric Stance itself made... zero difference. You just lost access to either the one-third or other two-thirds of your kit depending on whether you were locked in for 5 seconds or had yet to lock in for 5 seconds.

The difference was simply that you even had (to) GCD-heal(s worth casting).

[Jirah]

So from my understanding, OGCD heals along with cleric stance which improved your offensive prowess by trading off healing potency, being removed didn’t ruin healing but watered it down

Figures, now it’s very easy to heal without concerns of Mana or castbars. Exactly what they want. So the Lillie system was all hype as it fueled this theme

[QooEr]

This feels like conflation. Cleric Stance itself made... zero difference. You just lost access to either the one-third or other two-thirds of your kit depending on whether you were locked in for 5 seconds or had yet to lock in for 5 seconds.

The difference was simply that you even had (to) GCD-heal(s worth casting).

thats a bit reductive. with cleric stance the timing of your heals start mattering a lot more. if im exiting cleric stance, i want to do it at the right time and put out as much healing as i can so that i can spend as little time in CS as possible. compare that to just, using heals whenever. oh i used celestial opposition a gcd late, big deal.


moreover i think people arent remembering how CS worked back then. while cleric stance itself had a 5s cooldown, disabling it didnt have a cooldown, so you could be in CS, disable it without weaving anything, use an ogcd heal, and then immediately going back into CS.

[Rolder50]

I checked some of my old recordings from ARR. I was healing as a White Mage. Literally the only off-GCD heal I had was Benediction. There were a few other off-GCD mitigation type spells, but Bene was the only healing one.

[Hazama999]

My dudes all I said is I miss Cleric Stance. Yes, you could say it worked best with the way healing used to be back them, but dayum just leave it at that?

[Nizzi]

If we're talking about what we miss, I miss being new and getting enjoyment out of healers

[Jybril]

My dudes all I said is I miss Cleric Stance. Yes, you could say it worked best with the way healing used to be back them, but dayum just leave it at that?

You shoulda said this on Hot Take topic instead lol.
I miss it too.

[AngeliouxRein]

My dudes all I said is I miss Cleric Stance. Yes, you could say it worked best with the way healing used to be back them, but dayum just leave it at that?

lol your comment was destined for people to react that way. It was a controversial aspect of healers and I remember an intense amount of random healers that wouldn’t even bother with cleric stance and just stayed one way or the other. I hated it myself but on the bright side, your comment has likes. So not everyone disagrees and you can rejoice on that at least.

I will say I’m torn on how our heals use to function. On one hand, with more gcd heals, every button was useful for something. On the other hand, before they took away our DPS and utility, ogcd heals just worked in regards of us being able to heal whenever caught off guard of peoples’ hp dropping out of the blue. Both were pretty fun styles of healing.

As for my copium of the day, I really hope pvp or any suggestions help fuel the AST rework in the right direction… still concerned about that..

[MintnHoney]

As for my copium of the day, I really hope pvp or any suggestions help fuel the AST rework in the right direction… still concerned about that..

On one hand, I think the concern is very valid, because they could decide to trim the card system even further (their main concern was how busy AST was) and lobotomize the job so that everything is basically automatic and doesn't require any thought on how to properly use the kit.
On the other hand, this could be another empty threatpromise, and all they'll do is increase the healing potency of Aspected Helios or something and promise to look into further adjustments next expansion.

[Shurrikhan]

thats a bit reductive. with cleric stance the timing of your heals start mattering a lot more. if im exiting cleric stance, i want to do it at the right time and put out as much healing as i can so that i can spend as little time in CS as possible. compare that to just, using heals whenever. oh i used celestial opposition a gcd late, big deal.

Cleric Stance was a matter of committing to damage... for literally just two GCDs. No more, no less. It extended the current 1-GCD commitment of any given action... by a single GCD.

You also wanted to maximize time in Cleric Stance because (A) there was more damage to be done than healing and (B) the CS lockout began on CS activation, not upon leaving it. You could instantly refresh Cleric Stance, so you never needed to commit to healing for any particular number of GCDs. You just couldn't instantly leave it. (HW Wanderer's Minuet and Gauss Barrel, btw, worked the same way, to their notable detriment.)

Edit: Confusion due to typo (opposite preposition) in quote.

moreover i think people arent remembering how CS worked back then. while cleric stance itself had a 5s cooldown, disabling it didnt have a cooldown, so you could be in CS, disable it without weaving anything, use an ogcd heal, and then immediately going back into CS.

Yes, turning it off, like any other toggle-off, did not trigger a further cooldown, but you were locked into it until the cooldown was up. Like so many other toggled buffs, it could not be toggled off until its cooldown had elapsed.