Japanese FFXIV streamer receives a suspension for using add-ons.

[Ransu]

Imagine thinking that SE is wrong for enforcing rules they have set. If you are openly streaming activity that Yoshi-P and Devs have stated not to do, then you are just dumb and asking for it. Streams with ACT included are also fair game.

Imagine then trying to defend the streamers who clearly broke the rules. Whether people complained, or the streamer got caught by a dev, it really does not matter if the action is happening when it has always been clearly against the rules. So it is what it is.

If you are modding, parsing, using plugins etc, shut the hell up and stop posting it out in the open. That's the simple thing you can do to prevent things like this. How do people in 2022, still not understand this bare MINIMUM FACT?

TL;DR - Streamer deserves it for being dumb.

PS: If people keep being this negligent with it, they may take harsher stances with all mods /plugins.

Problem is FFXIV has a small streaming community already and the impact streaming can have on a game is pretty huge. So yes, I think what SE is doing here is a mistake.

Good

He should be perma banned for cheating.

Im glad SE is finally enforcing the game rules on those scumbags.

Its not cheating, get over yourself.

[Deedlit]

Good. Let him and others serve as an example. The guy that was openly cheating in CC with an alt also got caught and buried. I say fantastic. Cheating, win-trading and such has no place in this game and those that use it shouldn't be rewarded for it.

That also brings up a question...what if SE did sponsor a world-first challenge, with specific rules in place with regard to streams and such in place? That way they could analyze the footage and offer congratulations and such on the Twitter for those that did it right and honestly.

No one would give a crap about a twitter post. Same as now.

[Seger]

Its not cheating, get over yourself.

Well according to Yoshi-P it is.

So you better get over yourself and stop defending filthy cheaters.

[Havenchild]

Problem is FFXIV has a small streaming community already and the impact streaming can have on a game is pretty huge. So yes, I think what SE is doing here is a mistake.



Its not cheating, get over yourself.

You could also stream without, le gasp, meteor marks showing the AoE Ranges ( and spacing needed to not fail the drops).
You could also stream without Cactbot flaunting period.
You could also stream without a parser present.
You could also stream without plugins that allow for expanded information not natively available to the client.

People like you simply don't understand that streaming is not the problem here. The problem is openly flaunting tools and plugins that are not natively available in the game, of which not even the entire playerbase has access too. If they determine it's against the ToS, which everyone knows it already is, then yeah they can just ban people.

People getting bold with the ToS breaking, then wondering why SE cracking down. Dumb people being dumb then complaining when there are consequences.

[Ransu]

You could also stream without, le gasp, meteor marks showing the AoE Ranges ( and spacing needed to not fail the drops).
You could also stream without Cactbot flaunting period.
You could also stream without a parser present.
You could also stream without plugins that allow for expanded information not natively available to the client.

People like you simply don't understand that streaming is not the problem here. The problem is openly flaunting tools and plugins that are not natively available in the game, of which not even the entire playerbase has access too. If they determine it's against the ToS, which everyone knows it already is, then yeah they can just ban people.

People getting bold with the ToS breaking, then wondering why SE cracking down. Dumb people being dumb then complaining when there are consequences.

And I'm saying there's nothing wrong with those tools and SE needs to get the stick out of their butts.

[Faafetai]

The fact that a bunch of people could coordinate a mass report on someone, and get what they want leaves me disappointed in the dev team or the gm team involved. You can't use third party tools to show them screen shots of someone verbally abusing someone, or threatening them, but you can use their twitch streams as evidence against someone for using a 'third' party tool. If we want to go full scorched earth it is unfair playstation players have no means to communicate verbally with other players via discord. That level of instant on the fly adjustments that doesn't require typing mid Ultimate is unfair. I hope everyone continues to herp the derp about this instead of maybe not allowing a bunch of people to mass report someone so their account gets banned for 10 days because they were salty they couldn't also attempt to clear the new fight. Really cute. JP involved should all be banned for this as well because that also is against tos if I am not mistaken. Isn't it? Calling for a bunch of people to mass report someone.

This honestly wasn't a problem until after the statement dropped and numerous people on 5ch thought it would be ha ha funny to see if they were serious about it. They vindictively reported someone they knew using add ons. One of the things that gets me, is the fact that they said you were not allowed to use a stream as evidence against someone, until I guess now? Or did they just cherry pick whenever third party evidence is okay? Also how would they know it is third party unless they too looked up those evil add ons and knew what to look for. I know some people who think the fps counter at the top of system config or character settings is a mod because it isn't on playstation.

[Seger]

And I'm saying there's nothing wrong with those tools and SE needs to get the stick out of their butts.

Well you are just a random nobody on the internet.

You are not a dev, you are not a GM, you don't work for SE.

So yeah...

Cheating is still cheating regardless of what you think.

[Lily_Skye]

https://reddit.com/r/ffxivdiscussion...uspension_for/

A Japanese FFXIV streamer using XIVLauncher just received a 10-day suspension. He’s deleted all his twitch vods but here are some screenshots of him being taken to GM jail.

He was streaming with add-ons when SE’s announcement dropped and there were multiple posts on 5ch saying things like (paraphrasing) “Hey, let’s see if we can get these streamers banned” and “if SE doesn’t ban this streamer, I won’t believe in what they said about not allowing add-ons,” so I’m guessing there was a report brigade. A couple of hours later, the suspension happened.

I’d recommend avoiding streaming on Twitch with add-ons until the dust settles.

Edit: Looking at the screenshots, he was using SimpleTweaks for party buff timers, some plugin that lets you track other people’s CDs and ACT.

Also the streamer in question was speedrunner Hiroro from Team Overclock.

good riddance

[Havenchild]

And I'm saying there's nothing wrong with those tools and SE needs to get the stick out of their butts.

It does provide an advantage that not everyone has. If you can see the meteor AoE in Thordan phase 2, you directly benefit from knowing the spacing needed to not blow up the meteors and fail the mechanic. <- Not directly available in the client
Things in UwU and automarkers on people that get registered for Titan Goals, is another example of something that provides direct benefit to resolve the mechanic.

You can sit there and pretend it doesn't provide an advantage but we both know it obviously does.

[SaberMaxwell]

It does provide an advantage that not everyone has. If you can see the meteor AoE in Thordan phase 2, you directly benefit from knowing the spacing needed to not blow up the meteors and fail the mechanic. <- Not directly available in the client
Things in UwU and automarkers on people that get registered for Titan Goals, is another example of something that provides direct benefit to resolve the mechanic.

You can sit there and pretend it doesn't provide an advantage but we both know it obviously does.

There's nuance to this discussion. The streamer this is about only had minor add ons that showed things like buff timers in the party list, they didn't have the full stupid invisible telegraph identifier. You can't lump everybody who uses tools of any stripe straight into full cactbot cheaters.

I despise cactbot for a lot of reasons, things like automarking and telegraph marking are stupid imo, but the little dalamud ui stuff that people are getting banned for are not the same thing.