Why telling people to unsub is a horrible defense of the game.

[Strongfat900]

That has nothing to do with whether there is enough fresh, meaningful content in the game though?

You can put lots of fresh, meaningful, and repetable content in the game WITHOUT making players feel like they're a mandatory chore.

Stuff like Ultimate is exactly this type of content. I am never compelled to raid Ultimates. I do it because I find fun.

Now add more fun content in the game that are OPTIONAL and can keep players engaged for a whole patch. That is all people are asking for.

ENGAGEMENT AND FUN =/= MANDATORY FOMO

You can take a break from the game and play something else. Many MMOs have this problem as well including ESO btw, and the idea of it being a chore and etc is pretty subjective really. My younger brother, who has over 3,000 hours of playtime with ESO and keeps playing the game, doesn't mind the grind in ESO while I do for example. Different strokes for different people. Again, you can enjoy the game despite it's issues. It's like with food; eating the same dish over and over again would make anyone bored, so eating something else would rejuvenate you to eat your favorite dish again later.

[Kaurhz]

It's actually quite smart because it removes any responsibility for the company to provide content that keeps you entertained long term. They know you're unlikely to unsubscribe entirely, you still have your house being held hostage, your weekly static raid or might simply decide you might as well let the sub run when the next patch is a month or two away.

However, if you say "I'm bored, this content doesn't keep me entertained for more than a week" they can say "but we told you to go play something else, it's good for your health!". The forums are happy to throw this line out at any sort of complaint about lack of content, like a company asking you to pay a sub then find another game for entertainment is a great thing.



I don't think it's unhealthy to invest in one game. I love investing in one MMO. I don't mean no-lifeing or anything either. I'd rather savor one game fully and take a break if I eventually get burnt out, than scatter it across 10 games where I only take bite sized pieces and never fully get into them. That's just how I am, I tend to latch onto one thing and I'm perfectly content for a few years. I've done that with any past MMO's I've played without a problem, but it's difficult to do that with ff14.

The issue is not necessarily investing in a single game -- But instead trying to force it upon yourself when it otherwise may not be healthy to do so - E.g. the game taking a different direction or just generally not developing the content that you enjoy. Personally, this is my main-game and I would stand to argue I play it maybe too much sometimes - But if I find other games that tickle my fancy in other areas then I am open to -- and have played other games in the past where they have dimensions of content which I don't necessarily find in FFXIV.

[Minarisweet]

Let's be honest here no one genuinely cares about the health of other people but to defend yoship, person no one really knows personally.

[Kaurhz]

Let's be honest here no one genuinely cares about the health of other people but to defend yoship, person no one really knows personally.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Regardless of your own personal feelings, it is unhealthy to force yourself to be invested in something, especially if you don't enjoy it, or if it doesn't really have anything to offer you at the time.

Don't think anybody cares what you do with your time. personally, I'm just correcting an incorrect interpretation of what was said.

[DBriggs304]

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Regardless of your own personal feelings, it is unhealthy to force yourself to be invested in something, especially if you don't enjoy it, or if it doesn't really have anything to offer you at the time.

Don't think anybody cares what you do with your time. personally, I'm just correcting an incorrect interpretation of what was said.

Pretty much this.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I'm shocked how misused this statement has been lately. I've seen a few people point it out, but way too many people seem to misunderstand, I even finally made a forum account to add weight to this. Yoshi-P has stated since the dawn of this game, because he had a bunch of experience playing wow and researching it more when making ffxiv, he knew a big complaint in mmos was when players felt like they had to log in every day to keep up with everybody else, which wow has always been terrible with. I believe he has stated many times how games would use unhealthy practices to keep players constantly playing, with the goal if them giving their lives and money to the game, like time gating stuff in WoW just to keep players logging in every single day and never turning off their sub. I also believe he has said it keeps the community healthier when people take breaks and come back when they want, rather than getting burnt out and resenting the game for what feels like making you waste your time. Stop spreading false messages based off third hand knowledge please, the devs have better things to worry about, like fixing summoner and reverting the changes they did to my favorite class. Please change summoner back :c

Stop Spitting Facts and Common Sense.
The internet doesn't like that, just be mad and twist the Devs Message to suit your Needs and Narrative.

[Minarisweet]

Stop Spitting Facts and Common Sense.
The internet doesn't like that, just be mad and twist the Devs Message to suit your Needs and Narrative.

funny thing is that's what you lot do lol

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

funny thing is that's what you lot do lol

I dont recall doing that myself.

[SieyaM]

If your static doesn't speak to you outside of FF14 and doesn't have any interest in keeping up with you unless you're planning to do more raiding, then they aren't your friends.

[GaiusDrakon]

This thread is needed again.

If your static doesn't speak to you outside of FF14 and doesn't have any interest in keeping up with you unless you're planning to do more raiding, then they aren't your friends.

It's unhealthy to expect all friends to keep in touch forever long after not having mutual interests or hobbies. A temporary friend is just as valuable as a life-long friend for that moment in your life.