Yoshi P statement regarding third party tools

[KageTokage]

Unfortunately, it's unlikely this actually represents a tightening of their stance and more likely is just a reminder.

They really need to be more active about dealing stuff with that falls into the "blatantly cheating" category regardless of where it's happening.

[Risvertasashi]

feel like they said this before, years ago, and never did it. I'll believe it when i see it, tbh

We've gotten a few things. Shields on the UI, rez targets being visible, people graying out if they're very far away, and perhaps most famously, job gauges. Not as customizable as party frames from games that allow mods, but better than nothing...

Unfortunately, it's unlikely this actually represents a tightening of their stance and more likely is just a reminder.

It is exactly a reminder. Clientside-only stuff, like parsers, essentially remain invisible to them. Tools that send or modify data could potentially be detected - users are gambling on those tools "faking it" perfectly. But anyone hoping SE is finally banning all those ebil parsers and gpose modders are going to be disappointed...

However, SE did issue a take down on the red mage world first clear video - it showed things like enlarged timers, a slidecast overlay, and so forth. So it seems part of the message is "Don't show off you stuff on youtube" (and perhaps they will start enforcing on twitch more now too? Even though previously they said "Well we can't confirm that you're showing DPS and not say fan RPMs or CPU temps and so on").

So while previously the DADT policy was "don't talk about it in game", it seems more and more it's "don't talk about it or show it off anywhere SE might be able to identify you, even on third party websites."

UPDATE:
And another streamer bites the dust.

So... while the policy hasn't changed, and SE isn't scanning your computer, you really can't show off anything third party you might be using on twitch or youtube (or so on). Enforcement's stepped up.

[DezereDawn]

We've gotten a few things. Shields on the UI, rez targets being visible, people graying out if they're very far away, and perhaps most famously, job gauges. Not as customizable as party frames from games that allow mods, but better than nothing...

there's honestly 2 extremely basic things i'd personally like them to add, one, self shields also appearing on the ui with your green self health bar, and buff/debuff timers with actual numbers on them,

i've never touched DBM or Recount on WoW since i have 0 intentions of ever optimizing myself to a significant level, and 14's baseline ui is absolutely stronger than wow's is in many aspects, but hoo boy would i like to have even a smidgen of the qol possible with addons in that game possible here

[Risvertasashi]

there's honestly 2 extremely basic things i'd personally like them to add, one, self shields also appearing on the ui with your green self health bar, and buff/debuff timers with actual numbers on them,

i've never touched DBM or Recount on WoW since i have 0 intentions of ever optimizing myself to a significant level, and 14's baseline ui is absolutely stronger than wow's is in many aspects, but hoo boy would i like to have even a smidgen of the qol possible with addons in that game possible here

Believe me, this is a point I sympathize with. Back around ARR's original launch, SE promised eventual mod support, and I came from a non-WoW MMO that had moddable party frames so I was really pining for all the features I lost. Sadly, after delaying any time they were asked about it by the press, SE eventually decided they wouldn't have any official mod support after all...

[Ranaku]

Unfortunately, it's unlikely this actually represents a tightening of their stance and more likely is just a reminder.

They will never be able to tighten their stance and purge all the third party tools. Like never even if they could. Cause it would make shareholders and investors really unhappy to see SE basically killing a gigantic part of their playerbase and throwing all the goodwill the community has left out the window. Same reason why they can't just implement a anti cheat software, the collateral damage would be so big that SE stock would follow Blizzard into the abyss.

Best way to deal with all the problems is to create a better taskforce to detect all the definitely visible cheaters and give players a better report system so it doesn't take years to report each single bot that is running for weeks in a circle without any break.

What people also don't understand is how the complete absence of third party tools would affect them even if they aren't using them themselves. Rotation guides are made with data gathered through these tools. gposers and roleplayers (which use also a large amount of third party tools cause lets be honest the chatsystem is just awful) leave most money in the cashshop, without that money SE would have to cut back on development which would affect every player no matter if they use third party tools or not. Same with players who enjoy housing. With completely purging every third party tool SE would literally burn every community to the ground from NA raiders to people that do hunttrains and all the roleplay/housing/gpose folks.

[KageTokage]

They will never be able to tighten their stance and purge all the third party tools. Like never even if they could. Cause it would make shareholders and investors really unhappy to see SE basically killing a gigantic part of their playerbase and throwing all the goodwill the community has left out the window. Same reason why they can't just implement a anti cheat software, the collateral damage would be so big that SE stock would follow Blizzard into the abyss.

Best way to deal with all the problems is to create a better taskforce to detect all the definitely visible cheaters and give players a better report system so it doesn't take years to report each single bot that is running for weeks in a circle without any break.

What people also don't understand is how the complete absence of third party tools would affect them even if they aren't using them themselves. Rotation guides are made with data gathered through these tools. gposers and roleplayers (which use also a large amount of third party tools cause lets be honest the chatsystem is just awful) leave most money in the cashshop, without that money SE would have to cut back on development which would affect every player no matter if they use third party tools or not. Same with players who enjoy housing. With completely purging every third party tool SE would literally burn every community to the ground from NA raiders to people that do hunttrains and all the roleplay/housing/gpose folks.

I'm mostly just really sick of seeing the same people from back when I first started playing still constantly running bots overnight as a routine part of their schedule.

I couldn't care less about people making changes that aren't actually giving them an unfair advantage.