Been seeing a lot of doomsaying in forums/in-game lately

[IkaraGreydancer]

I was leveling Scholar the other day in Vanaspati. We zoned in. The tank was a WAR. First thing he said was "Healer don't heal me", then repeated it in autotranslate. I decided to respect his wishes.

Nobody died. The entire dungeon was Art of War. Aetherflow. Art of War, Energy Drain. Art of War, Energy Drain. Art of War, Energy Drain. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Oooo, boss time! Biolysis, Aetherflow. Broil, Energy Drain. Broil, Energy Drain. Broil, Energy Drain. Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil.

The. Entire. Dungeon.

That's all I'm doing most of the time when *I* am healing. Usually the tank is less skilled than that so I might need to weave one oGCD heal in between spamming 11111111111 over and over and over again. Ooo. Engaging.

Yes, and its known that's Wars have a far bigger advantage in dungeons than other tanks. Not the best example. Difference here is I'm not going to be an ass to you about your experience because that's what it is. Your experience. What people find engaging will differ by the person. It's doesn't need to be any more complicated than that

[RyuDragnier]

I was leveling Scholar the other day in Vanaspati. We zoned in. The tank was a WAR. First thing he said was "Healer don't heal me", then repeated it in autotranslate. I decided to respect his wishes.

Nobody died. The entire dungeon was Art of War. Aetherflow. Art of War, Energy Drain. Art of War, Energy Drain. Art of War, Energy Drain. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Art of War. Oooo, boss time! Biolysis, Aetherflow. Broil, Energy Drain. Broil, Energy Drain. Broil, Energy Drain. Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil.

The. Entire. Dungeon.

That's all I'm doing most of the time when *I* am healing. Usually the tank is less skilled than that so I might need to weave one oGCD heal in between spamming 11111111111 over and over and over again. Ooo. Engaging.

I'd like to get WARs like that more often. I get the ones who never use ANY cooldown. It's miserable as hell as a SCH for that to happen, especially when the fool heavy pulls and is unable to use RI/BW a single time.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Im surprised they have yet to nerf Warriors. In fact, they should nerf all tanks to not have OP self-sustaining abilities, because that honestly kills the whole "trinity role" system this game is supposed to be going for. And I say this as a Warrior main. There's my hot take.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yes, and its known that's Wars have a far bigger advantage in dungeons than other tanks. Not the best example. Difference here is I'm not going to be an ass to you about your experience because that's what it is. Your experience. What people find engaging will differ by the person. It's doesn't need to be any more complicated than that

That advantage shouldn’t exist period though. That right there is a prime example of healers being unnecessary. Spamming 1 button 90% of a fight is objectively not engaging. Someone being worse at playing healer and spamming heals which isn’t optimal isn’t a solution lol nor does it mean the role is engaging.

[Semirhage]

Yes, and its known that's Wars have a far bigger advantage in dungeons than other tanks. Not the best example. Difference here is I'm not going to be an ass to you about your experience because that's what it is. Your experience. What people find engaging will differ by the person. It's doesn't need to be any more complicated than that

Not a single one of the healers is designed in a way that's engaging to me. I'm "being an ass" because the entire role has been stupidified down into this dull monotonous nonsense, and at every turn the forums have someone saying "but it's fun for me!" Good for you, it's the most boring experience I've ever had healing in an MMO. Better not improve it at all, because some people have the experience of fun while I'm here pressing one button over and over and over and over and over again, and things need to be designed in a way that's mind-numbing for me in order to create that "fun". Apparently.

[Lyth]

Negative-themed threads make for better clickbait. You're more likely to become concerned and engaged over 'Beloved MMO on its last legs - dev team sells Hissatsu: Kaiten off as an NFT' and '17 dirty secrets that Yoshi-p doesn't want you to know about real estate' than you are over 'Fight design considerations in improving healer engagement'.

There's a positive feedback loop in which low-effort doomthreads generate a lot of attention, which causes more people to make them for that Twitter adrenaline buzz. Couple this with a relative decrease in moderator presence from the tail end of Shadowbringers on and you generally have an environment where actual thoughtful discussion is replaced with an overabundance of emotion and shouting.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Im surprised they have yet to nerf Warriors. In fact, they should nerf all tanks to not have OP self-sustaining abilities, because that honestly kills the whole "trinity role" system this game is supposed to be going for. And I say this as a Warrior main. There's my hot take.

I'd be 100% all for this change honestly. They kinda doubled down on it in EW

[redheadturk]

I'd be 100% all for this change honestly. They kinda doubled down on it in EW

Yeah, no. I like my Warrior just like it is, leave it OP.

[Rufalus]

When XI was this old, we got XIV. This time there's no progression on the horizon. At least XIV is getting a minor graphics update next expansion. The gameplay will still feel old hat, though. I wish they'd treat the next expansion like a new game in the FF series, not just a new story in an old game. Come up with new game design and progression systems for PvE like you did for PvP recently. Mix up the ratio of each type of content, the ways they relate to each other and the long-term reward system for doing them. Maybe not everything has to be a tightly-scripted encounter within a scripted instance that always plays out the same way.

I feel like gaming in general lost excitement going into this decade, not just FF XIV and not just MMOs. The latest console generation had a weird launch with almost no new exclusive titles between both XSX and PS5, and hasn't picked up a lot of steam in the 18 months since. The rest of 2022 is looking quite dry until we get into Q4, then we'll see if Forspoken and Starfield are any good.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Not a single one of the healers is designed in a way that's engaging to me. I'm "being an ass" because the entire role has been stupidified down into this dull monotonous nonsense, and at every turn the forums have someone saying "but it's fun for me!" Good for you, it's the most boring experience I've ever had healing in an MMO. Better not improve it at all, because some people have the experience of fun while I'm here pressing one button over and over and over and over and over again, and things need to be designed in a way that's mind-numbing for me in order to create that "fun". Apparently.

Didn't say it can't be improved...I swear yall are so caught up in your emotions over this that you're seeing things that aren't there. Calm down and think before you type. Someone that has fun with healers now can still have fun when there's more to do like say the SB days. You're doing to much

No one is advocating to keep healers as is