When you Love the Story, but are Really Bad at the Gameplay

[kaynide]

Didn't use any insult.
Didn't accuse anything, they clearly stood in something and died.
The last one they did do.
These new ToS changes are so terrible, and defends overly sensitive players such as all of you that push for this player to be reported for something so petty. This is exactly why I do not interact with players at all in this game and many others do the same, because there are people like you all that will constantly push to get people banned for the most minute things. I absolutely hate the player base of this game cause they are far worst than any troll player could ever be. I want you to know, you are all a shining example of why this games community is terrible.

Your liking of the rules is irrelevant; these are the rules we agree to abide by when we play. It's not asking a lot for people to play nice with each other.

[IdowhatIwant]

They blamed the OP for dying. That's outlined in the first statement.

And, yes, we're so horrible by expecting basic civility and respect and treating people like people. This is really all that SE is asking for right there at the beginning:

But people find it SO HARD to do something as simple as not be a jerk.

Is it not there fault for doing the mechanic wrong. What was the healer supposed to say, "sorry I should have warned you with in the couple seconds of that mechanic going off that you would die if you stand in the bad. This is all my fault and I apologize that this has happened to you. Here is your rez.". If you do something wrong it is your fault for doing it wrong. Why don't we go ahead and tell all the rapest, and murders in prison, it's not your fault we failed you and let them go?

The OP did the mechanic wrong, and admitted to doing the mechanic wrong. But lord have mercy that white mage clearly was blaming them for there failure.

Your liking of the rules is irrelevant; these are the rules we agree to abide by when we play. It's not asking a lot for people to play nice with each other.

My opinion of the rules is absolutely relevant. If I think the ToS hinders people from wanting to communicate in an online video game than I am going to voice it and I absolutely think the ToS is far to strict and people go above and beyond to take advantage of it. People have no obligation to go out of there way to pander to others feelings all the time. OP didn't do the mechanic right, fine, but don't expect a standing ovation of praise, and don't expect to not be criticized.

[kaynide]

My opinion of the rules is absolutely relevant. If I think the ToS hinders people from wanting to communicate in an online video game than I am going to voice it and I absolutely think the ToS is far to strict and people go above and beyond to take advantage of it. People have no obligation to go out of there way to pander to others feelings all the time. OP didn't do the mechanic right, fine, but don't expect a standing ovation of praise, and don't expect to not be criticized.

You agreed to the ToS, like it or not, you are bound to its rules. You are welcome to discuss changes, but nobody here has any power over the ToS save a fictional "zomg da sky iz fallin everyone gon quit!".

You aren't wrong about criticizing a fail, but that's not the point- there are constructive ways to get the point across without mocking or ridicule.

A simple "hey I'll get you up in a minute" or "go ahead and raise after the fight" or "Sorry, but you've died a few times and it's hard to focus on the tank- can you hang tight?" could have gotten the point across without mockery.

Even a "hey man, you keep dying, I'm not trying to bully you by leaving you down, I just can't keep you up at the moment" is not ideal, but it's fine.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Okay, so even after five months of playing this game I still kinda suck.... however, was playing Castrum Meridianum earlier (roulette, levelling RDM) and encountered a White Mage player who wasn't actually healing anyone. Didn't really think too much of it for the majority of the instance - but during the Livia sas Junius fight I managed to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and was KO'ed. Decided to wait in the hope that the healer might help me out. They didn't; they did the 'point' emote, and then the laugh one, instead. Asked them, in chat, if they could possibly do what healers do. Their response? "You shouldn't have been standing in shit". And they continued to ignore me.

Question is, is behaviour like theirs reportable? I mean, yeah I'm crap at the game but a healer who refuses to heal??

It is reportable.

I suspect their intention was to let you know your mistake & hoping that you can learn from it but… they clearly did not choose the best, conducive way to convey it to you.

Again, their fault is not because they couldn’t prevent your death. Their fault is their a$$hat behavior in response to your death & refusal to raise you after your request for a raise.

I don’t want to comment on the ‘no healing’ part. In fact I’m skeptical, because when I read people complaining their healers ain’t healing, half of the times their requested healings weren’t even needed. They just want it because they’re anxious looking at their not-full-health bar. Mind you, I am not accusing you here. Your experience still feels sucks regardless.

[Coletergeist]

should I continue?

Absolutely, even if you just need a break. You'll get there even if it takes you a bit longer. I mean, continue if you want to, you know. If you love the game, I'd keep going at it.

Edit after reading whole thread; what that healer did is reportable, yes. I'd take screenshots next time something like that happens. Remember name, time and where when you do as it helps.

[Carin-Eri]

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

Can see both sides of the coin here. I am by no means good at this game and, as has been noted, managed to get KO'ed in a 'should've known better' scenario. It was clumsy and a bit humiliating. That's on me.

However, as noted, I recently switched job from Bard to Red Mage and have been working on learning/levelling said job. One aspect of it is (to state the obvious) some limited healing abilities. I'm not sure if that's what irked me about the attitude of the White Mage in question. I played 'The Copied Factory' a short while earlier (in a futile attempt at obtaining the Type-51 Casting outfit) and whilst was KO'ed plenty of times myself, I also made an effort to heal and raise other players who were KO'ed. I didn't judge them for being KO'ed, neither did I give much thought to what caused it to happen; I used Verraise and then Vercure on them, and then turned my attention back to the fight.

I guess, whilst its a bit presumptious, that's what I sort of expect from a player who opted to play a job with an heavy emphasis on healing. Not the equilvant of 'Oh dear, well, I have a bandage for your wound but you're not having it because you did something dumb and I'd rather gloat about how stupid I think you are instead'.

[Packetdancer]

Is it not there fault for doing the mechanic wrong. What was the healer supposed to say, "sorry I should have warned you with in the couple seconds of that mechanic going off that you would die if you stand in the bad. This is all my fault and I apologize that this has happened to you. Here is your rez."

As a healer main... if someone dies to a mechanic, I am going to just rez them. (When convenient/viable, anyway; if I don't have swift and I do have healing to do, sorry, you will have to stay on the floor for a little while. As my static likes to say "Tend to the living, first!")

If they seem confused, I will often offer to explain the mechanic, but otherwise I probably won't say anything.

I'm not going to be all "sorry I should have warned you" or anything; aside from the fact that no, it isn't my responsibility to warn people about mechanics (except for my static, since I'm the shot-caller and all), that could easily come across as sarcastic.

But I am [i]also[i] not going to be like /point, /laugh, and then say in party chat, "Just FYI, Jimbo, the orange or red markings on the floor mean 'don't stand here'. Useful tip for you in any future content!" I'm certainly not going to do that and leave you on the floor to boot.

The first one is how you play a healer. The second one is how you play a jackass (and get reported).

There is a difference.

[TaleraRistain]

I guess, whilst its a bit presumptious, that's what I sort of expect from a player who opted to play a job with an heavy emphasis on healing. Not the equilvant of 'Oh dear, well, I have a bandage for your wound but you're not having it because you did something dumb and I'd rather gloat about how stupid I think you are instead'.

It's not presumptuous. That's basically what we signed up for. Someone who's going to withhold healing because someone derped is just a garbage healer. Either they're doing it for fast queues or they have a god complex. That they also felt the need to gloat about it makes them a garbage healer and a ToS violator.

[kaynide]

It's not presumptuous. That's basically what we signed up for. Someone who's going to withhold healing because someone derped is just a garbage healer. Either they're doing it for fast queues or they have a god complex. That they also felt the need to gloat about it makes them a garbage healer and a ToS violator.

+1;

OP- It might sound cold, but unless it's causing a wipe and/or very severe strain on my healing resources, I don't care why people die. They died. My job is to get them up so we can get the mission done sooner than later.

Some healers I have met take it as a personal attack when you yank them out of whatever Zen they're in with just DPSing/Tank focus and, yeah, that's dumb.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I guess, whilst its a bit presumptious, that's what I sort of expect from a player who opted to play a job with an heavy emphasis on healing. Not the equilvant of 'Oh dear, well, I have a bandage for your wound but you're not having it because you did something dumb and I'd rather gloat about how stupid I think you are instead'.

Each players have their own "how many times I see you make mistakes before I think you are simply not putting effort or too distracted to be engaged"-standard and how it interacts with their gameplay and the content they're engaging in. Healers are not an exception there. Both extremes exist and those extremes-ends are the ones that usually clashes in DF situations. As much as they want people to accommodate their preferences, there are just some combinations of DF folks that do not compromise well.