Solution for SAM crit fluctuation in case SE want to spin more BS

[Stasya]

We're not trying to play therapist for anyone.

What we are doing, is getting tired of SAM posts that are mostly composed of insults, derogatory comments, and demeaning ones intelligence, just because their META job took a hit.

You can have a discussion, provide feed back, and convey your feelings w/o the need of being a immature little brat.

Are you also tired of trolls on forums that defend SAM changes, while having zero hours even in dungeons as SAM, or being salty that SAM was buffed in 6.08 just so there was even one person that gloated about 6.1 patch changes (like all SAM players deserved it)???????????

[DPZ2]

to play therapist for these "devs" and boost their ego. If they cannot read past language to comprehend the underlying message

By "underlying message" do you mean the cultural assumptions one must make when writing in the English language?

Because, quite frankly, I doubt that many Japanese, let alone the SE developers for this game, have that underlying cultural background.

It's a major reason I doubt that posts full of English sarcasm, irony and not-so-subtle hostility are going to influence a single developer. They don't "read past language", because they don't read English in the first place. If I were to act as a translator for posts on the English forums, a lot of what posters consider "nuance" and "cleverness" in the arguments would be lost, if not outright ignored. Not because of the subject matter, but because fruitful conversation in Japanese requires some level of courtesy that is lacking in words such as "boost their ego" and "play therapist".

Here. Have a simple 30 minute Japanese lesson that demonstrates that even what we might consider as simple, straightforward English, when translated inexpertly into Japanese, sounds odd, if not insulting. https://learnjapanese123.com/lost-in-translation/

[Stasya]

By "underlying message" do you mean the cultural assumptions one must make when writing in the English language?

Because, quite frankly, I doubt that many Japanese, let alone the SE developers for this game, have that underlying cultural background.

It's a major reason I doubt that posts full of English sarcasm, irony and not-so-subtle hostility are going to influence a single developer. They don't "read past language", because they don't read English in the first place. If I were to act as a translator for posts on the English forums, a lot of what posters consider "nuance" and "cleverness" in the arguments would be lost, if not outright ignored. Not because of the subject matter, but because fruitful conversation in Japanese requires some level of courtesy that is lacking in words such as "boost their ego" and "play therapist".

Here. Have a simple 30 minute Japanese lesson that demonstrates that even what we might consider as simple, straightforward English, when translated inexpertly into Japanese, sounds odd, if not insulting. https://learnjapanese123.com/lost-in-translation/

There is a problem that judging by that people provided feedback before 6.1 patch went live (which was basically don't do this), devs do not care about JP forum aswell. They all ride on high horse with "we know better".

[DPZ2]

There is a problem that judging by that people provided feedback before 6.1 patch went live (which was basically don't do this), devs do not care about JP forum aswell. They all ride on high horse with "we know better".

From the posts I've read on the Japanese forums, there are more "let us wait and see where the developers are going with these changes" and fewer "Samurai is totally destroyed now, and I will never play it again" than on English forums. And the posts are much more polite (although social media sites were not - hence the posts from Yoshi-P). These posts also stay in a minimal amount of threads, rather than being daily brought up by the same people over and over and over again.

[AsiTsurugi]

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I appreciate your clarification, as I am not acquianted with cultural aspects or language nuances required for communicating with people in SE's dev team.

Unforunately for them, that really is also a problem primarily they have to deal with. If you, as a company, want to sell your products in markets that are way outside your cultural zone, then the onus is on you to learn their culture first, not vice-versa. If Naoki Yoshida had explicitly stated "we welcome feedback from only players from Japan in the Japanese language forums", then at least I wouldn't bother with engaging here. Now, I suppose the mistake is my assumption that they will ever read any feedback in these forums, but I imagine talking about the fundamental systemic issues with SAM that they introduced 2 weeks before an ultimate, with absolutely no explanation whatsoever, in "official forums" would at least be more impactful than typing these same words on, say, Reddit.

Also do note that I did not start posting before a couple of days ago. I took Naoki Yoshida's suggestion in good faith, tried out samurai in content, including savage and the current ultimate, before posting here. It still feels incomplete, it still feels horrible to play, and this dev team imposed this on us for what? "TBA"? Well, 6.1 has been out for a month now, and "TBA" has still not arrived, so exactly what they are waiting for? If "TBA" was going to take them an indeterminate amount of time, they could have done *all* of these changes along with those "TBA" changes at that indeterminate time, instead of fundamentally altering the job's playstyle two weeks before a piece of highly anticipiated content (at least for me) dropped. I was looking forward to sen and kenki management and other nuances the pre-6.1 kit would have brought with this ultimate fight, and now it seems like none of those two gauges really matter because every button hits for approximately the same amount post-6.1. Meanwhile, every other job still has the same issues with "damage variance" with respect to crit in this ultimate, which was the reason given for flattening the damage curve for samurai whose bursty nature was a core aspect of why people enjoyed it. Kaiten was removed because Yoshida said it was "restrictive" but did not say what "restrictions" a flat 50% potency increase to certain skills would have placed on their future design that they had to remove it right now.

I hope this clarified where I (and hopefully others who post their displeasure with SAM's current state) come from. However much this dev team might have accomplished and good faith they might have garnered by bringing this game back from the dead with 2.0, they are currently severely lacking with that level of dedication, competence or transparency now that they have seen success, more so if they outright ignore feedback from people that actively engage with content they said they made these changes to SAM for.

[Payadopa]

Just ban that little calculator. Problem solved.

Joking aside, people take those numbers way, way too seriously.

[HolyReign]

Ah yes, the, "You don't play the job, so you have no idea." defense.

Not that SAM, or any job for that matter, "Deserves it." But, changes happen good or bad, and most of these SAM posts convey the feelings like SAM players where distinctly targeted and harassed by the Devs with this change.

But yeah, label me a Troll, if you must, whatever floats your boat.

[Stasya]

Just ban that little calculator. Problem solved.

Joking aside, people take those numbers way, way too seriously.

Where does calculator involved with removing kaiten and making sam not being utilize party buffs of some classes, the calculator stuff is a side effect, if this game is all about buff each other why making war/sam special?

[SleeeeeeepySleeeeeeep]

brrrrrrrr

Oh hey look at that. It's the idiot who spend more time on the forum than in the game.

The guy who hasn't even finished any raids including normal (LMFAO) in EW is here to grace everyone with his "wisdom".

Yes, keep shilling.

[SleeeeeeepySleeeeeeep]

most of these SAM posts convey the feelings like SAM players where distinctly targeted and harassed by the Devs with this change.

Point us all one post where a SAM player said we are "distinctly targeted and harassed by Devs".

Oh wait. You can't. It's just your made up bullshit "feeling". Ah yes, we all need to cater for special snowflakes like you who'll "feel" shit no one's ever posted anywhere on this forum.

Yeah. You are a troll. GTFO.