*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[RyuDragnier]

This talk of memory crystals reminds me of job crystals. The fact that the skills, abilities, and techniques of the job are saved to the stone, much like implicit memories. I wonder if there are job crystals out there that contain the actual skills of one of the Azems. Though I have a feeling if anything could be linked to Azem, it's probably the original Blue Mage job crystal, since using what your opponents use against them is a bit goofy/brilliant and seems like something an eccentric ancient Azem would have come up with.

[EaraGrace]

Reading through all that reminds me of a thing I'd been thinking about these past few days—which of the three attempted sacrifices Venat argued against in the infamous post-Elpis scene, as well as whether the scene was intended to be symbolic or literal. But specifically this part:



I had already been musing over the idea, but I think this actually gives it some merit: The scene where Venat walks through the ruins of Amaurot, chews out the survivors for not being able to cope with their loss, then righteously sunders the world? That might actually be what Venat/Hydaelyn remembers happening. Whether that's because of Elidibus-style memory degradation or a Cid-style refusal to accept the truth, Venat may simply remember things happening in a way they truly did not.

But if that were the case, I imagine the story would have built on it instead of leaving it as a loose end. And I doubt they'll ever revisit it, given how hard they pushed 6.0 as the end of the Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc.

The issue with this is it’s not clear that what we saw was Venats memories specifically. Remember, the scene we saw came about during our traversing of the rift, not from the echo or by reading a memory crystal, both of which would root the scene firmly in Venats memory. Instead, what we see is closer to the scene with Minfilia on the First and as such we can’t assume the source was Venat.

[Vyrerus]

Memories, like the corners of my mind

I think it has more to do with, "Let expanse contract, let eon become instant!" Part of traversing the space time rift whenever Future Ironworks Syrcus Tower is involved revolved around this space time compression.

So what that vision is, is a wibbly wobbly time compressed showcase of Venat's memory. And yes, it is Venat's memory. She was at the heart of the rift crystal with her back turned. (Compare this to all of the other crystals in both the WoL's first Rift crossing in SHB and then the Fandaniel crystal right before Venat's).

This keeps it murky, but I would assume that it's closer to Cid-style refusal so that she could push past the self trauma inherent in her actions. We will probably never know though, because that scene is murky by choice. Obfuscation by choice. By the writers.

[Ralphe2449]

Absolutely.

Venat's choice was not smart, it was emotional.

We know zodiark would allow them to survive and research dynamis for literally THOUSANDS OF YEARS, the moment they know what causes the final days is the moment the ancients could figure it out, after all we are talking about immortal beings with the power of literally creation. And with their very scientific focused society multiple solutions would present themselves in time.

It makes no sense that literally every single ancient lost 1000 intelligence and stopped caring about what caused the final days and started going desperate, especially after the VICTORY of stopping the final days, some like hermes were clearly emotional lost causes but many more would be interested to learn what caused the final days, Zodiark simply stopped it but even for historical research purposes people would want to know.
So even without time travel shenanigans an ancient scholar would try to figure out what happened, which would inevitably lead outside the planet and try to find energies that are causing this.

For good or ill the devs have made the ancients literally overpowered, not only ability or immortality with but even their society is focused on improvement and research, it makes no sense for such people to just beat a huge problem and suddenly fall into an emotional depression, keep in mind that they can live for thousands of years so they see time very differently, meaning waiting a couple of thousands of years to meet their sacrificed friends wouldnt be a big deal.


I honestly wish we get a timeline where we join sides with Emet Selch, realize his arguments are right and go against the more emotional scion team, would even be interesting, the WoL going against the scions xd

[sidurgu-12]

oh God please dont let this revive. 105 pages is already too much, it doesn't need more.

[OhNooo]

oh God please dont let this revive. 105 pages is already too much, it doesn't need more.

You rang?

[Teraq]

(snip)

What a based post worthy of thread necromancy if I'm perfectly honest.

Agree with everything you said. It makes no sense given what we know of the Ancients being a society of academics constantly pursuing knowledge, sharing of ideas and debate – but apparently we are supposed to believe Hermes was a very, very special boy who was the only one interested in space and dark matter at all.

Also agreed that the time scale of Ancients being biologically immortal makes a lot of the reasoning around the Sundering pretty bad. Sacrifice a portion of life as Zodiark kibble? Just wait a couple of centuries or millenia for life to reflourish. Maybe give them time to grieve and learn. But clearly Venat had to act now in order to prevent her civilisation from, at some indefinite point in the future, going the way of an alien civilisation she knew nothing of beyond a line or two from Meteion. Maybe.

This plot has to be so contrived to actually work.

[EaraGrace]

[OhNooo]

VENAT IS A HERETIC

[Lauront]

I honestly wish we get a timeline where we join sides with Emet Selch, realize his arguments are right and go against the more emotional scion team, would even be interesting, the WoL going against the scions xd

You and I both.