*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[Rosenstrauch]

Reading through all that reminds me of a thing I'd been thinking about these past few days—which of the three attempted sacrifices Venat argued against in the infamous post-Elpis scene, as well as whether the scene was intended to be symbolic or literal. But specifically this part:

Mikoto: We must be careful of what we observe, however, for while the information stored in a person's memories can be quite comprehensive, it is not always true to fact. They can be distorted due to the passage of time, or even when first committed to the mind as a result of personal bias.
Mikoto: That is why it is important to mark the distinction between explicit and implicit memories.

Mikoto: Explicit memories are those consciously stored and recalled, while implicit memories are more passively accumulated by our subconscious.
Mikoto: When meeting someone for the first time, their appearance will be kept as part of our explicit memory, though this may fade with the passing of time. Should a great deal of time pass without meeting, however, such recollection can prove difficult.

I had already been musing over the idea, but I think this actually gives it some merit: The scene where Venat walks through the ruins of Amaurot, chews out the survivors for not being able to cope with their loss, then righteously sunders the world? That might actually be what Venat/Hydaelyn remembers happening. Whether that's because of Elidibus-style memory degradation or a Cid-style refusal to accept the truth, Venat may simply remember things happening in a way they truly did not.

But if that were the case, I imagine the story would have built on it instead of leaving it as a loose end. And I doubt they'll ever revisit it, given how hard they pushed 6.0 as the end of the Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Reading through all that reminds me of a thing I'd been thinking about these past few days—which of the three attempted sacrifices Venat argued against in the infamous post-Elpis scene, as well as whether the scene was intended to be symbolic or literal. But specifically this part:



I had already been musing over the idea, but I think this actually gives it some merit: The scene where Venat walks through the ruins of Amaurot, chews out the survivors for not being able to cope with their loss, then righteously sunders the world? That might actually be what Venat/Hydaelyn remembers happening. Whether that's because of Elidibus-style memory degradation or a Cid-style refusal to accept the truth, Venat may simply remember things happening in a way they truly did not.

But if that were the case, I imagine the story would have built on it instead of leaving it as a loose end. And I doubt they'll ever revisit it, given how hard they pushed 6.0 as the end of the Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc.

Tbh, this is what i’ve been thinking too, partially because i’ve kind of tried to use it to remedy the absolute asspull that was the Elidibus memory degradation, so i’ve always figured how do we know the same didn’t happen to both of the hearts? How are we so sure that Venat’s recollection is truly accurate? The problem here is we have seen 2 biased sides, and not a neutral one. But seeing that it’s the end of the arc yeah, i don’t think we’ll ever know tbh, which is a bit tragic. For an expansion that was supposed to tie up all the loose ends there are many unanswered questions.

[EaraGrace]

Reading through all that reminds me of a thing I'd been thinking about these past few days—which of the three attempted sacrifices Venat argued against in the infamous post-Elpis scene, as well as whether the scene was intended to be symbolic or literal. But specifically this part:



I had already been musing over the idea, but I think this actually gives it some merit: The scene where Venat walks through the ruins of Amaurot, chews out the survivors for not being able to cope with their loss, then righteously sunders the world? That might actually be what Venat/Hydaelyn remembers happening. Whether that's because of Elidibus-style memory degradation or a Cid-style refusal to accept the truth, Venat may simply remember things happening in a way they truly did not.

But if that were the case, I imagine the story would have built on it instead of leaving it as a loose end. And I doubt they'll ever revisit it, given how hard they pushed 6.0 as the end of the Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc.

The issue with this is it’s not clear that what we saw was Venats memories specifically. Remember, the scene we saw came about during our traversing of the rift, not from the echo or by reading a memory crystal, both of which would root the scene firmly in Venats memory. Instead, what we see is closer to the scene with Minfilia on the First and as such we can’t assume the source was Venat.

[Vyrerus]

Memories, like the corners of my mind

I think it has more to do with, "Let expanse contract, let eon become instant!" Part of traversing the space time rift whenever Future Ironworks Syrcus Tower is involved revolved around this space time compression.

So what that vision is, is a wibbly wobbly time compressed showcase of Venat's memory. And yes, it is Venat's memory. She was at the heart of the rift crystal with her back turned. (Compare this to all of the other crystals in both the WoL's first Rift crossing in SHB and then the Fandaniel crystal right before Venat's).

This keeps it murky, but I would assume that it's closer to Cid-style refusal so that she could push past the self trauma inherent in her actions. We will probably never know though, because that scene is murky by choice. Obfuscation by choice. By the writers.