Bring Back Kaiten

[darkdyllon]

This is how I have my HUD setup

Minimalistic take. The idea is to stop fighting the hotbar, focus on the fight. All buttons are hidden to help me do so and memorized since all I do is play SAM ( for now... ).

Explanation: Hakaze is hidden on 1, pressing it highlights Yukikaze, so I know it's active. Pressing Jinpu or Shifu will turn off Yukikaze, but highlights Kasha and Gekko. This I apply to everything.

Ikishoten pops Ogi Namikiri buff anyways.
Senei shares CD with Guren anyways
ThirdEye / Yaten / Gyoten you never spam to need to know the CD.
Meditate or Enpi or Hakagureyou nvr spam to need to see them
Shoha and Shoha II are indicated by the Meditate Gauge.
Shinten / Kaiten / Kyuten, all u need is to see the Kenki Gauge for these
Fuga / Mangetsu / Oka / really are just AoE buttons I put on R F V mixed with Shift or Mouse buttons, honestly its really a 1 2 3 thing don't need to see them.


I already " Pre-Solved " Button Bloat " visually " on my Hud, it's all just properly hotkey'd. That's why it baffles me that they can't figure this out or even see a logical connection between so many skills to fix Button Bloat. It's obvious, it's a given if they but had anyone on their team that plays the game and the classes.

PS: No I don't use an MMO mouse either, I use the cheapest corsair with 2 side buttons .__.;

doesn't look bad, it's more or less muscle memory like with every job, so you can press them without having to stare at your hotbar.
before i got my cross hotbar for my controller i made an bar with GCD cooldowns so i knew when something was coming off CD, not needed anymore, but the thing is.
the more you play a job, the more comfortable you'll feel and the easier it becomes, that's something newer players generally don't like, it's either "i instantly get it" or "i'm not gonna play it"

[RyuuZero]

while also making ikishoten transform to ogi namakiri etc" it would've been fine (this would remove more bloat)
but instead they remove an essential tool to the identity of an SAM, you're already casting your big finishers, buffing that "feels" right.

sorry for plugging my Macro, but it does what you suggests they should do with Ikishoten, you just press the button 3times,
Ikishoten+Ogi Namikiri Macro =

/macroicon "Ikishoten"
/ac "Ikishoten"
/ac "Ogi Namikiri"

[FenrirFenFen]

brrrr just returning to the forum to once again give feedback and request my smooth sword spinny back.

[CelestiCer]

I kinda wanna see this HUD in action to be honest^^, though I will repeat, even if there are many differing opinions, our goal has to be the same: we want the devs to bring back Kaiten,
for me as First Kenki Skill to introduce the Samurai Player to Kenki as a Resource to boost damage and Shinten/Kyuten/Senei and Guren as additional options for leftover Kenki.
But Kaiten is what validates Kenki for me in the First Place.

if you want you can write your personal reason down here why they should bring back Kaiten

I can actually show it yay with discord sceenshare xD
But it's honestly not difficult. And made easier since... well I only play 1 job just my SAM ( still for now ) and while muscle memory is indeed just a thing, it's more so what i was showing that " Visually " 1 skill progs the next to indicate a logical reasoning behind " Button fusing " one skill with another. If they really needed to? they could also Skill merge some skills? though only a suggestion I made for their so called " Button/Action Bloat " issue alternative solution vs Kaiten removal.

[Karious]

+1 for visibility.

[Synnestral]

Adding my voice to the ever-growing list of people who want their Kaiten back. The job without it is just boring. The reduced potency of our big moves also just feels bad. I don't even care that much about the raid buffs no longer being as effective for us - the job just feels bland. Most of my moves in raids and trials now are just the same stab over and over again. The last time I ran P4 normal, Hissatsu: Shinten did the 2nd most damage overall during the raid - right behind Midare and just barely above my auto attacks. I also used it 64 times, which is more times than I used Hakaze, the move you literally need to use to start combos outside of your Meikyo Shisui windows. This feels terrible.

[Lustre]

Take a bump, I agree.

[cjbeagle]

I also used it 64 times, which is more times than I used Hakaze, the move you literally need to use to start combos outside of your Meikyo Shisui windows. This feels terrible.

Holy wat. That's a very interesting (depressing) comparison point. I knew Shinten spam was real, but more than Hakaze?! gd

[MalekMan]

Does Square even look at the forum? Or reply? Is there any chance they're going to see this and give us SOME engagement?

[FrogBiscuit]

Does Square even look at the forum? Or reply? Is there any chance they're going to see this and give us SOME engagement?

At the very least, even if they don't have anyone to read the posts, I hope they are aware of the noise over here which I've been told echos every other region as well.

I think they probably default to the JP forums for actual real player interaction... But even if they simply know that NA and other regions are echoing exactly what JP is... it will at least lend/add weight to the problem.