The unsurprising absence of Samurai from top DSR ultimate prog teams

[Jaquan]

Well hes coming from toxic positivity and i have played from start ew till now. Will i believe that devs test stuff like should? At this point no.

But sorry devs good, SAM needs more braindead changes like removing combo and more auto crits.

Wait, what? Where the freaking god did you take this from? All i freaking pointed out that both you and DPZ2 use the absence of proof stating otherwise as your proof. Neither of you provided anything else for your claim whether it be proof that dev team takes their data from FFlogs or the proof they take the data directly from the game. Nothing less nothing more, so please stop reading too deep into this and placing me at whatever side of barricade you feel fit. I have nothing to gain nor lose in this debacle. Heck out of respect to SAM i haven't touched this job as so to not get skewed perception on the matter.

[SpeckledBurd]

Wouldn't that mean that both of you are lying because neither of you can supply the proof other than absence of proof for the other side's argument?

I don't see why you're trying to bothsides DPZ2 with this, he said that the devs don't need to look at FFlogs because they have access to in game data because... of course they do, they own the servers, they own the game, of course they have access to the data. In the past they've been able to determine and ban players for using Ungarmax from squadrons in raids.

Like the game has existed before they removed Kaiten, even if they made a stupid decision they have the tools to balance jobs and see what players are using because they've had to gauge the response of the playerbase to other, longer lasting, stupider decisions before.

[DPZ2]

All i freaking pointed out that both you and DPZ2 use the absence of proof stating otherwise as your proof.

Both? I made no assertion, although you may have read more into my skepticism than was actually written. Stasya, on the other hand, made a rather bold assertion with no evidence, and no desire to actually go do the research to back up that statement when challenged.

Addendum:

Ahhhh. I see now. I was not referencing my earliest post, which was based on an understanding about the inner working of other MMOs I've played over the years. It is well known (and written about) that World of Warcraft, for example, kept careful statistics about everything in order to better balance classes. If that is the practice for an MMO that has been running for over 16 years, I expect the same sort of practice in other MMOs. It is an inference that requires no reliance on external sources. The 'proof' is the general adjustment of job potencies after every major and minor point release in this game. It has to come from somewhere. Telling me that they look at FFlogs is ridiculous enough to require proof.

[Absimiliard]

SAM has pretty much fallen in the same hole SE threw WAR into. Anything that brings its own crits is pretty much relegated to dungeons and keeping the bench warm.

[Jaquan]

Both? I made no assertion, although you may have read more into my skepticism than was actually written. Stasya, on the other hand, made a rather bold assertion with no evidence, and no desire to actually go do the research to back up that statement when challenged.

Addendum:

Ahhhh. I see now. I was not referencing my earliest post, which was based on an understanding about the inner working of other MMOs I've played over the years. It is well known (and written about) that World of Warcraft, for example, kept careful statistics about everything in order to better balance classes. If that is the practice for an MMO that has been running for over 16 years, I expect the same sort of practice in other MMOs. It is an inference that requires no reliance on external sources. The 'proof' is the general adjustment of job potencies after every major and minor point release in this game. It has to come from somewhere. Telling me that they look at FFlogs is ridiculous enough to require proof.

Yes I was only referencing your last posts at the time where both of you basically threw your statements and left it at it. I guess it's my fault of not exactly reading the topic throughly though admittedly my sanity keeps me from diving too deep into this.

[Stasya]

I don't see why you're trying to bothsides DPZ2 with this, he said that the devs don't need to look at FFlogs because they have access to in game data because... of course they do, they own the servers, they own the game, of course they have access to the data. In the past they've been able to determine and ban players for using Ungarmax from squadrons in raids.

Like the game has existed before they removed Kaiten, even if they made a stupid decision they have the tools to balance jobs and see what players are using because they've had to gauge the response of the playerbase to other, longer lasting, stupider decisions before.

They have all tools in the world yet people waited for 6.08 when it was late already and next are atrocius SAM changes before ultimate. They have all tools in the world yet they didnt even tested their housing system. Just because they have "tools" doesn't say they it use them at all.
Just by reading about SB sam - i wouldnt even touched it at all lol. And now SE wants me to feel SB times. Thanks.
Again devs are good, need more praise for Yoshi P who didn't made any changes to BLM in 6.1 ^^ Just try SAM 6.1 changes, oh boy you will love it - Yoshi P.

[butchersblock]

I'm surprised there's not more NIN, given how well they're performing.

Same thing as Samurai, but nowhere near as bad. It just doesn't feel as good to play anymore.