PLZ, Make SMN's Physick scales with INT just like RDM's heal for the fairness!

[Soge01]

Weird but Creative Suggestion: Upgrade Physick and Revive into King Moggle Mog Egi with an increased potancy to healing on both spells. That way, visually, SMN has more abilities that revolve around its summons, while also making SMN's Revive more beneficial when compared to RDM's double cast free Revive. Like, give SMN's Moggle Mog Revive spell a 20%30% HP restoration to the target party member for something.

[Chasingstars]

Weird but Creative Suggestion: Upgrade Physick and Revive into King Moggle Mog Egi with an increased potancy to healing on both spells. That way, visually, SMN has more abilities that revolve around its summons, while also making SMN's Revive more beneficial when compared to RDM's double cast free Revive. Like, give SMN's Moggle Mog Revive spell a 20%30% HP restoration to the target party member for something.

hmm that could although that means summoner now has 4 gems between its bahamut and phoenix yes?

[Soge01]

hmm that could although that means summoner now has 4 gems between its bahamut and phoenix yes?

Lol, sorry. I meant King Moggle Mog not having a gem, but functioning sort of how the Egi did before without them, except with the current way they are summoned for just one big attack. But in King Moggle Mog's case, he just shows up to heal and revive party members and disappears afterwards.

Certain Egi added later on, at least to myself, would be est off functioning like that. With no gem related to them, but instead are either conjured up as an entirely seperate ability from the gem system and other Egi being summoned based on what combination of elemental egi you use before hand that'd give you access to an additional that represents more than one element Egi.

Like, after summoning Titan and Ifrit, you gain a bonus summon option in the form of Ravana setting of his own signature ape attack. Or to summon Bismark, you would need to first call for Garuda, Ramuh and Leviathan before hand.

[Chasingstars]

Lol, sorry. I meant King Moggle Mog not having a gem, but functioning sort of how the Egi did before without them, except with the current way they are summoned for just one big attack. But in King Moggle Mog's case, he just shows up to heal and revive party members and disappears afterwards.

Certain Egi added later on, at least to myself, would be est off functioning like that. With no gem related to them, but instead are either conjured up as an entirely seperate ability from the gem system and other Egi being summoned based on what combination of elemental egi you use before hand that'd give you access to an additional that represents more than one element Egi.

Like, after summoning Titan and Ifrit, you gain a bonus summon option in the form of Ravana setting of his own signature ape attack. Or to summon Bismark, you would need to first call for Garuda, Ramuh and Leviathan before hand.

Ah okay, so you want king moogle mog to be indepedent, sort of like its own meter?
That could actually be very useful as a sort of thing summoner has access to help in case of emergency.
For resurrection purpose, might be useful for modifying the rez button, such as being able to revive as an instant cast, but still costs 2500 mp, mostly so its not quite a healer lb3.

As for other ones, they could in theory add more, demi summons like ravana or bismark.

Mostly contemplating it from playing summoner myself and knowing that simple potency changes, while helpful, are not exactly fixing core issues with their kit.
Such as with physick here feeling out of place.

[AnotherPerson]

Ah okay, so you want king moogle mog to be indepedent, sort of like its own meter?
That could actually be very useful as a sort of thing summoner has access to help in case of emergency.
For resurrection purpose, might be useful for modifying the rez button, such as being able to revive as an instant cast, but still costs 2500 mp, mostly so its not quite a healer lb3.

As for other ones, they could in theory add more, demi summons like ravana or bismark.

Mostly contemplating it from playing summoner myself and knowing that simple potency changes, while helpful, are not exactly fixing core issues with their kit.
Such as with physick here feeling out of place.

If Moogle mog can be an instant cast ress, that would be broken for any job tbh unless the ress skill shares a cd resource for DPS.
But honestly, having a resource meter for borrowing summons temporarily outside of the current gauge system sounds like a great way to make SMN feel complete by giving it flexibility and complexity.
Having the decision to choose between Moogle mog, Ravana, Bismark, etc. and changing some skills in addition to using Ifrit/Garuda/Titan/Bahamut/Phoenix would feel really nice between phases.

[Ralt21]

So with that gauge you guys came up with. Just replace aetherflow with this idea or somehow combine it with aetherflow?

I had some ideas to fill this gauge with.
Like the egi charges we spent generate gauge. Not astral flow. Then lower the timer on de egi summon. Lower the timer from 30 sec cause good lord is that way to generous. And so not being able to land ifrit hard cast (mainly XD) is punished with less gauge.

Now just have elemental mastery I between lvl 50 - 60 and elemental mastery II at lvl 86.

Oh fuck i gave too much complexity to SMN.

[Soge01]

Ah okay, so you want king moogle mog to be indepedent, sort of like its own meter?
That could actually be very useful as a sort of thing summoner has access to help in case of emergency.
For resurrection purpose, might be useful for modifying the rez button, such as being able to revive as an instant cast, but still costs 2500 mp, mostly so its not quite a healer lb3.

As for other ones, they could in theory add more, demi summons like ravana or bismark.

Mostly contemplating it from playing summoner myself and knowing that simple potency changes, while helpful, are not exactly fixing core issues with their kit.
Such as with physick here feeling out of place.

I never would have thought to put Egi on a gauge meter, but sure, let's go with that. I like the idea! xD

Though, the Mog raise, if made an instant cast, needs some sort of drawback so it won't be too powerful and ready at any given time. Maybe increase the amount of mp it uses by double, but in exchange, you have another primal or even Carbuncle that can somehow regenerate your MP by absorbing the HP of targeted forces??? Basically, turn Carbuncle into our old Energy Drain. xD

If Moogle mog can be an instant cast ress, that would be broken for any job tbh unless the ress skill shares a cd resource for DPS.
But honestly, having a resource meter for borrowing summons temporarily outside of the current gauge system sounds like a great way to make SMN feel complete by giving it flexibility and complexity.
Having the decision to choose between Moogle mog, Ravana, Bismark, etc. and changing some skills in addition to using Ifrit/Garuda/Titan/Bahamut/Phoenix would feel really nice between phases.

Maybe have the King Moggle Mog Egi Physick and Raise be linked to another Egi that performs the opposite effect? Since, I assume King Moggle Mog is a Light based Primal, maybe making it so Eden Cloud of Darkness could be its antithesis? So instead of raising allies, like King Moggle Mog, maybe she could cause Vulnerability effects across groups of enemies and also slap them all with a status effect that essentially acts as both a DoT effect, but also an HP draining effect that can be used to both heal the SMN and restore their MP bit by bit over time. Since CoD is a voidsent, I thought a potential Eden Egi version of her doing that would be quite fitting, lol!

I wholeheartedly agree! The current Egi summoning system is still too rigid. It would be nice to be able to summon whatever primal we want at any given time without them being linked to eachother and their Elder Primal counterparts being trapped behind prerequisite in order to summon them.

Maybe if you have your meter charged up enough, Elder Primal, like Bahamut, Phoenix, Alexander and Odin can be summoned, while with a small amount of the gauge filled, weaker Egi can be summoned, like the current trinity we have right now and much more.

So with that gauge you guys came up with. Just replace aetherflow with this idea or somehow combine it with aetherflow?

I had some ideas to fill this gauge with.
Like the egi charges we spent generate gauge. Not astral flow. Then lower the timer on de egi summon. Lower the timer from 30 sec cause good lord is that way to generous. And so not being able to land ifrit hard cast (mainly XD) is punished with less gauge.

Now just have elemental mastery I between lvl 50 - 60 and elemental mastery II at lvl 86.

Oh fuck i gave too much complexity to SMN.

I love all of these ideas!!!

And yeah, full Egi summoning between level 50 and 60 needs to happen!