Ok so looks like people are still taking advantage and getting multiple houses.

[Shibi]

Fuel is the least of my effort and cost. I basically am the only one running my FC and have no problem fueling my subs. Stop worying about FC workshops that are not bot run, they are not affecting anyone. Then it is up to slacker SE to get rid of bots and gil sellers.

You clearly missed my point.

I am not worried about them at all, but there are a lot of people foaming at the mouth and thinking their existance means no housing. They believe if you nerf fightclub they'll see houses magically appear for everyone - unicorns and rainbows all over.

I want to give them an optional target rather than crying for nerfs - coz SE love monkey paws.

Making fuel non-tradable, by whatever reason won't affect a genuine FC in the least. Credit generation is more than sufficient there with normal play. You know it, I know it. Even 2 or 3 FCs isn't hard tbh.

But the more sub pens one owns makes it harder, and harder, and harder.

It will never stop the OF conspiracy theorists in their search for the real bogeyman of housing, but it might stop SE killing off subs to appease them.

[Besame]

You clearly missed my point.

I am not worried about them at all, but there are a lot of people foaming at the mouth and thinking their existance means no housing. They believe if you nerf fightclub they'll see houses magically appear for everyone - unicorns and rainbows all over.

I want to give them an optional target rather than crying for nerfs - coz SE love monkey paws.

Making fuel non-tradable, by whatever reason won't affect a genuine FC in the least. Credit generation is more than sufficient there with normal play. You know it, I know it. Even 2 or 3 FCs isn't hard tbh.

But the more sub pens one owns makes it harder, and harder, and harder.

It will never stop the OF conspiracy theorists in their search for the real bogeyman of housing, but it might stop SE killing off subs to appease them.

The "target" we all need to focus ire, finger pointing and a push to change clearly needs to be the inept SE not the players that own FC/personal houses, they only did what SE allowed all these years.

[Shibi]

The "target" we all need to focus ire, finger pointing and a push to change clearly needs to be the inept SE not the players that own FC/personal houses, they only did what SE allowed all these years.

I agree, A serious question for you: "Do you think they will any time soon?"

[Besame]

I agree, A serious question for you: "Do you think they will any time soon?"

Absolutely not at this time. There is not enough monetary or reputation pressure from the players worldwide. We in NA especially are bothered by the lack of follow through, not so much it seems in other areas. I am pretty sure that if there was no penalty for not entering a house or FC, people would be more likely to go like 3 on, 4 months off on their sub costing a huge loss of steady income. I certainly would be in that on again, off again group All we can do is keep applying pressure or seek out something new if we are displeased or frustrated. After all, if you don't have a house, what can you lose if you unsub off and on?.

[GerryMall]

Ah yes, these loopholes through which people can hog large amounts of houses, barring lots of other people from owning one. I came here to bring up this exact issue, only to find out that it is much, much worse on other DCs.
What confuses me is this: The inclusion of the one-house-per-account and one-house-per-fc rules would imply that SE actually wants housing to be limited so that more people have a shot at owning a plot. But then why leave things this way? Why implement restrictions in the first place if they come with very obvious ways to circumvent them?

[Jirah]

4 years later and people are still doing this? FC terms need to be a lot more aggressive and it needs to happen very soon or else all the FC wards will be swamped by 1-4 different FCs

And I can already tell instead of fixing this they’ll just remove more wards from single players

[Illmaeran]

Ah yes, these loopholes through which people can hog large amounts of houses, barring lots of other people from owning one. I came here to bring up this exact issue, only to find out that it is much, much worse on other DCs.
What confuses me is this: The inclusion of the one-house-per-account and one-house-per-fc rules would imply that SE actually wants housing to be limited so that more people have a shot at owning a plot. But then why leave things this way? Why implement restrictions in the first place if they come with very obvious ways to circumvent them?

Because, being Japanese, they expect people to follow the letter of the rules, the spirit of the rules, be considerate of others, and not try to game the system. For the great percent of people on JP servers, this is exactly how they behave. Things are different in NA, and in general, the West, where more people will find any loophole they can to get what they want even at the expense of others. This is a fundamental difference between Japanese and Western cultures; Japan is very communally-oriented whereas the West is heavily individual-oriented. There are similar trends on the Elemental DC, though to a much lesser extent than NA/EU/OCE, and wouldn't you know it, Elemental's where the vast majority of non-Japanese players from that side of the world play/played prior to Materia opening.

I think SE are finding out the hard way just how different things go on Western DCs and are trying to come up with reasonable restrictions that don't significantly inconvenience the general player base who do follow the letter and spirit of the rules. Players, as a generalized group, will find a way to bypass any restrictions that aren't hard-coded into the game to get what they want if they think they can get away with it. Unfortunately, the people taking up large swaths of new wards are following the letter of the law (many multiple accounts), but are totally disregarding the spirit of the law because they can. As they say, one bad apple spoils the bunch. A disproportionally small portion of the player base is able to acquire a disproportionally large portion of plots which makes them visible. If they used unique FC tags that looked like actual FCs instead of randomly picked three letters, they'd fly under our collective radar and be a non-issue because we wouldn't know they're there.

[Big_Bap]

Because, being Japanese, they expect people to follow the letter of the rules, the spirit of the rules, be considerate of others, and not try to game the system. For the great percent of people on JP servers, this is exactly how they behave. Things are different in NA, and in general, the West, where more people will find any loophole they can to get what they want even at the expense of others. This is a fundamental difference between Japanese and Western cultures; Japan is very communally-oriented whereas the West is heavily individual-oriented. There are similar trends on the Elemental DC, though to a much lesser extent than NA/EU/OCE, and wouldn't you know it, Elemental's where the vast majority of non-Japanese players from that side of the world play/played prior to Materia opening.

Well, these pictures invalidate everything you've just said and the active NA pop outweighs JP's...

https://i.imgur.com/M2pIFv9.png



https://i.imgur.com/YJVKSMs.png



https://i.imgur.com/f6u810E.png

[Tomyris]

The worst part for a zero glitched fc on Materia is that there are many new fcs that cannot even start their workshops while others will have a near-monopoly on the items that are obtained by voyages only. It puts the glitch victim fcs at least a month behind all the others in terms of getting exploration established. They let people withdraw their deposit and then claim its unfair for fcs that got a house if the 0 glitch winners don't pay the full amount. I really don't know what is fair TBH but this situation is also pretty damn unfair.

[Shibi]

The worst part for a zero glitched fc on Materia is that there are many new fcs that cannot even start their workshops while others will have a near-monopoly on the items that are obtained by voyages only. It puts the glitch victim fcs at least a month behind all the others in terms of getting exploration established. They let people withdraw their deposit and then claim its unfair for fcs that got a house if the 0 glitch winners don't pay the full amount. I really don't know what is fair TBH but this situation is also pretty damn unfair.

People won't get their homes for free, no way. If they withdrew the gil you can bet your bottom dollar SE will ask for the gil back to finalise the purchase.

As for the month of lost levelling, and lost gardening... in the grand scheme of things it's not a biggy. Six months and everyone will be in the same place - and these houses will be held far longer than six months. There will be other opportunities!

It's worth it, worth all the pain, to see a prime-grade, dream but zerod plot, with just one winner, and you hold the ticket.

As long as the SE devs don't screw up on the 16th and lose the data.