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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Argument is that the person feels like they constantly want to play this game, yet despite the various side activities you can do, they still want more?
    The argument you're presenting is wrong anyway because they do play other games (Lost Ark, for example). Even if you didn't know that, either by reading other threads (the Lost Ark thread, for example), or by just asking (which you didn't care to), you can't even make the call that they are only playing just the one game because you wouldn't actually know. The foundation of your strawman was poor and based on assumptions, which, as you may have heard, makes an ass (that I would rather play bongos on, because it's friday and I just wanna have fun).

    Second, just because there are many options on what can be done, does not mean that those options are necessarily "good" options, nor are they options that someone would normally want to do.
    I could go over every piece of content available, if you'd like, but I think it's best that I leave it at "most of the experiences in Final Fantasy XIV, on their own, tend to be shallow ones whose entertainment value tends to fall exponentially over a period of time (which seemed to get longer, and now is officially extended), and it wouldn't be a bad thing to consider what could be offered to players that could be consumed meaningfully on a more consistent basis in order to tide them over once they reach the point where the fun dropped off, until what they were originally here for can be updated." At least, that's my opinion. Also in my opinion, since we're paying a subscription for this game, it's not unfair to inquire as to whether or not more may be afforded to make the subscription be more availably worthwhile.

    And yes, I know: 'ugh, Aylin Bielawska, you're so annoying, you should go play some other game because I don't want to deal with you!" Well, you and my brother, both. But that doesn't stop me from knocking him out in Smash Brothers, and that argument is not a counterpoint to "we're getting content and updates that feels shallow, and might not be ok with giving more time to get it out if the quality stays the same or gets worse." And, so far, it seems to be getting worse.

    P.S., I'm actually kind of ok with giving them more time, at least on a temporary basis as they work to upgrade their engine for 7.0, but there's a limit to the amount of bullshit I can overlook just because they want us to see more grass in every eyeful of field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MintnHoney View Post
    The argument you're presenting is wrong anyway because they do play other games (Lost Ark, for example). Even if you didn't know that, either by reading other threads (the Lost Ark thread, for example), or by just asking (which you didn't care to), you can't even make the call that they are only playing just the one game because you wouldn't actually know. The foundation of your strawman was poor and based on assumptions, which, as you may have heard, makes an ass (that I would rather play bongos on, because it's friday and I just wanna have fun).

    Second, just because there are many options on what can be done, does not mean that those options are necessarily "good" options, nor are they options that someone would normally want to do.
    I could go over every piece of content available, if you'd like, but I think it's best that I leave it at "most of the experiences in Final Fantasy XIV, on their own, tend to be shallow ones whose entertainment value tends to fall exponentially over a period of time (which seemed to get longer, and now is officially extended), and it wouldn't be a bad thing to consider what could be offered to players that could be consumed meaningfully on a more consistent basis in order to tide them over once they reach the point where the fun dropped off, until what they were originally here for can be updated." At least, that's my opinion. Also in my opinion, since we're paying a subscription for this game, it's not an unfair to inquire as to whether or not more may be afforded to make the subscription be more availably worthwhile.
    Your entire argument is based solely on your own personal preferences. Some people enjoy crafting and making money so they go around spending the most of their game time farming materials and crafting items to sell on the marketboard or items they want for their character. Others enjoy grinding, so some level alt jobs or do Eureka or Bozja (and before people say those instances are dead, I literally just got in today to help a friend out in Eureka and there's still many people going around doing NM preps and hunts) or do the numerous grinds for every single relic weapon etc. These are just examples of barely scratching the surface of activities to do in this game. If none of that interests you then thats fine, I'm ultimately not wanting to change your mind about what you look for in this game but dont pretend like this game is lacking in content to do because it clearly does not. People always find something meaningful to do in this game and its not as if the devs arent planning on adding more stuff to do; aka Criterion Dungeons, Island Sanctuary etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Your entire argument is based solely on your own personal preferences.
    No, actually, my "entire argument" is based upon a vague sense of whether or not it's fair to question whether or not more could be done to give more to do for the players, rather than any sense of personal preference. Once more, you're aiming your argument against something that isn't there, and it would be nice if you could stop assuming things just because you want me to be wrong.

    dont pretend like this game is lacking in content to do because it clearly does not.
    Crafting and gather certainly are things that one can do forever, if they want. Certainly there will be plenty of people looking for furniture when the housing lottery is fixed.
    Bozja and Eureka are good examples of activities with horizontal progression using a separate vertical progression system. They're good, and they last a hell of a lot longer than the general patch items like dungeons, story stuff, or even raids.
    But other than that? Everything else in this game individually loses its luster quickly because of the nature of this game's design. You can argue that FFXIV has lots of little individual things to do, and you would be right. I, however, will not agree that every little individual thing is something that can be done to keep one's interest from fading, nor would I agree that all those individual items substantiate a sub for every person.
    You seem to be under the impression that, because there's "something for everyone," that means everyone should be satisfied and there's no reason to feel like the content could be altered, improved, or reviewed because there is an abundance of it if only one could just abandon their preferences. However, I argue that the very fact that they decided to try and implement things like Criterion Dungeons (assuming that they end up making what I'm thinking they're making out of them) and the Island Sanctuary (which we still know almost nothing about) means that even they are aware that there needs to be something in place for everyone at every level that can keep interest for at least a little longer than the basic patch items and whatever backlog of items they were never interested in in the first place.
    And with the slightly longer patch cycles, it's going to be more important than ever that they implement something for each type of player, at each level group, that they can satiate themselves with over time. With any luck, Criterion Dungeons will be just that. If not, then, well, I won't be doing the shocked pikachu face if I see people complaining about not having anything to do, and I'm not going to tell them to go do something else because I'm not in the business of making other people change their minds about what they want to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Insertusernamehere View Post
    I wish they had a system like daily sub system instead of monthly sub..
    If Yoshi P. really honest with their suggestion, "go play other games" a daily subscription (24 hour / 1 USD) will be great :3

    I am sure I am not only one who logins weekly just for 1-4 hour progression.. and play something else when it is done..
    Also benefits people who don't want to lose their home..
    That would be incredible, actually, but I'm not sure how feasible it would be for a business.
    Plus, how do they work in the price of the additional retainers, etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MintnHoney View Post
    That would be incredible, actually, but I'm not sure how feasible it would be for a business.
    Plus, how do they work in the price of the additional retainers, etc?
    I guess they have no choice but freeze additional retainers.
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