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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Unlikely they will step away from the auto crit design.
    Scholars and Dragoons: Is my Battle Litany and Chain Stategem a joke to you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnotherPerson View Post
    Scholars and Dragoons: Is my Battle Litany and Chain Stategem a joke to you?
    They are to SE.

    That should be readily apparent for SCH. DRG will sadly find out the hard way next major patch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnotherPerson View Post
    Scholars and Dragoons: Is my Battle Litany and Chain Stategem a joke to you?
    Yoshi-P has already acknowledged the crit buff issues and has more or less stated that they are likely going to be redesigning the crit stat up to 7.0. By 7.0 those buffs will likely function in a completely different manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Yoshi-P has already acknowledged the crit buff issues and has more or less stated that they are likely going to be redesigning the crit stat up to 7.0. By 7.0 those buffs will likely function in a completely different manner.
    Completely different manner probably means "5% increased damage for 20 seconds on a 120 second cooldown."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Yoshi-P has already acknowledged the crit buff issues and has more or less stated that they are likely going to be redesigning the crit stat up to 7.0. By 7.0 those buffs will likely function in a completely different manner.
    The Situation: A universal issue that could easily be solved by converting excess chance into bonus effect (e.g., a 120% chance of a +50% crit bonus -> 100% chance of a +60% crit bonus).

    The Likely Response: Let's just homogenize all the raid buffs. Now that we stripped all Crit procs from all but Monk and did everything in our power to remove useful Speed tiers, it's not like they do anything differently anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    The Situation: A universal issue that could easily be solved by converting excess chance into bonus effect (e.g., a 120% chance of a +50% crit bonus -> 100% chance of a +60% crit bonus).

    The Likely Response: Let's just homogenize all the raid buffs. Now that we stripped all Crit procs from all but Monk and did everything in our power to remove useful Speed tiers, it's not like they do anything differently anyways.
    I've seen some games solve this problem with the concept of "double-crits", which I like.

    For example, let's say a crit deals +60% damage based on their crit rating and they have a 30% chance to crit.

    Then, something buffs them with +100% chance to crit, their new crit chance is effectively 130%, but that becomes a 30% chance to double-crit for +120% damage with the remaining 70% chance guaranteed to crit for +60% damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbeagle View Post
    I've seen some games solve this problem with the concept of "double-crits", which I like.

    For example, let's say a crit deals +60% damage based on their crit rating and they have a 30% chance to crit.

    Then, something buffs them with +100% chance to crit, their new crit chance is effectively 130%, but that becomes a 30% chance to double-crit for +120% damage with the remaining 70% chance guaranteed to crit for +60% damage.
    There is direct hits as double crit already.
    I havent played at that time but at this point i want it to reverted back to be hit rating like in old wow. Crit mechanic is not bad, devs just too lazy to balance potencies but crit+direct hit is a curse of this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stasya View Post
    There is direct hits as double crit already.
    I havent played at that time but at this point i want it to reverted back to be hit rating like in old wow. Crit mechanic is not bad, devs just too lazy to balance potencies but crit+direct hit is a curse of this game.
    Hit rating is the worst idea in the world. You need a minimum amount of it to even be functional. It's an awful feeling when you don't have it and feels like wasted stat budget when you do, like piety but worse. Not to mention it runs largely counter to the way secondary stats work in FFXIV, where the impact of one stat over another is so small it's ultimately a matter of preference even if there is some ideal BiS. That wouldn't be the case if everyone is practically required to get X hit rating in order to not risk missing all their big attacks. If crit variance is a problem now, god, imagine hit variance.

    I'm glad it's dead in WoW, and I'll be very glad indeed if the FFXIV devs have the sense not to bring it back here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukiB View Post
    Hit rating is the worst idea in the world. You need a minimum amount of it to even be functional. It's an awful feeling when you don't have it and feels like wasted stat budget when you do, like piety but worse. Not to mention it runs largely counter to the way secondary stats work in FFXIV, where the impact of one stat over another is so small it's ultimately a matter of preference even if there is some ideal BiS. That wouldn't be the case if everyone is practically required to get X hit rating in order to not risk missing all their big attacks. If crit variance is a problem now, god, imagine hit variance.

    I'm glad it's dead in WoW, and I'll be very glad indeed if the FFXIV devs have the sense not to bring it back here.
    The major reason "Accuracy" didn't work for FF is not only because players had to meet a specific hit rating, but also that anything above the minimum needed was wasted stat points. It also didn't help that only Healers/Casters (iirc) needed to meld it to any appreciable degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stasya View Post
    There is direct hits as double crit already.
    I havent played at that time but at this point i want it to reverted back to be hit rating like in old wow. Crit mechanic is not bad, devs just too lazy to balance potencies but crit+direct hit is a curse of this game.
    Direct hit is completely different than double crit - the whole point of double crit is to address situations where a stat goes above 100% to prevent diminishing returns that incentivize players to avoid an otherwise good stat and/or avoid certain raid comps for similar concerns.
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