Female Hrothgar as a playable race. Show your support!

[CrownySuccubus]

I think the "-phobic" and "bigot" labels are a step too far, but there's no denying that making the cute/sexy furry races female and the buff/brutish characters male is a rather gender-essentialist viewpoint.

I mean, I get it; I'm gay for pretty cat and bunny girls, but if a player wants to be an effeminate cat/bunny boy or a hulking giant/lioness that looks like she can benchpress a tank, they should have the option.

[FawkesWyznfarr]

Naaaah. Leave the degeneracy to the modders

[Senn]

And simultaneously absolute, seething hatred toward Hrothgars and anyone who even dared mentioning they liked the idea of a furry/beast race. A lot of the flame calmed down after Yoshi P had to come forth and outright say 'no' to boyish looking Viera though, but it was....a glorious dumpster fire, to put it bluntly.

I didn't see a lot of hatred towards hrothgars, at least in my thread. I do remember thinking that it may have been worth it to have male and female viera first instead because of the hair issue with hrothgar. But even back then, I thought hrothgar was a nice addition to the game.

I won't try to pretend I wasn't resentful over the male viera situation (no female hrothgar always hit me as more of an issue as we have actually seen female ronso). Won't pretend I didn't stoke the flames. People who went off about how you're either a bigot or a sexual predator for being on either side of the #Ideal male viera debate were wild, though.

Those types of accusations were thrown out not because they actually care about the safety of real children, but because they wanted male viera to look a certain way (big and buff) or they wanted to troll. These people would say and accuse you of anything to have their way and it was pathetic. I did take time to self reflect thinking on if I actually violated some more or crossed a taboo for suggesting a small race, but I realized I was just being gaslighted. I had a field day when male viera came out slim, elegant, bishounen, and shorter than the females. Had a good laugh when some of these people were on board right up until they heard about the height difference, despite it being such a small gap.

[Midareyukki]

I didn't see a lot of hatred towards hrothgars, at least in my thread. I do remember thinking that it may have been worth it to have male and female viera first instead because of the hair issue with hrothgar. But even back then, I thought hrothgar was a nice addition to the game.

It wasn't on your thread, it happened A LOT in social media. Reddit and their stream comments especially.

Nice for thinking Hrothgar were a nice addition to the game though. I can guarantee you I had to deal with a lot of comments the past 3 years against the race I chose to play from a lot of people though. It certainly hasn't lightened, what with people still making comments about "Yoshida wanting to skin cats" in these forums.

[Senn]

It wasn't on your thread, it happened A LOT in social media. Reddit and their stream comments especially.

Nice for thinking Hrothgar were a nice addition to the game though. I can guarantee you I had to deal with a lot of comments the past 3 years against the race I chose to play from a lot of people though. It certainly hasn't lightened, what with people still making comments about "Yoshida wanting to skin cats" in these forums.

Oh, I haven't really been keeping up with any of that, only what was going on in my thread. What kind of comments have you been getting? Hrothgar are very eye catching to me and I think they bring a lot of variety to the game. Even though they have hair/hat issues, it was worth it to have them in the game. Maybe the graphics team is trying to resolve these issues before they release female hrothgar.

[SturmChurro]

I didn't see a lot of hatred towards hrothgars, at least in my thread. I do remember thinking that it may have been worth it to have male and female viera first instead because of the hair issue with hrothgar. But even back then, I thought hrothgar was a nice addition to the game.

I don't know if it was just in the male viera thread specifically, but I remember saying time and time again hrothgar shouldn't be blamed. I do remember people attacking hrothgar's inclusion.

[Senn]

I don't know if it was just in the male viera thread specifically, but I remember saying time and time again hrothgar shouldn't be blamed. I do remember people attacking hrothgar's inclusion.

I don't think hrothgar should be blamed either. What were people saying about hrothgar exactly?

[Wanzzo]

A gentle doublepost bump with an update on my disobedient hand

No profile yet, but I'll get there @@

(Bonus clan-based coloration difference, or face exclusive toggleable)

To match the white couerls

I liked this one the most so far. It has a good correlation on details and forms with its male counterpart.

I can imagine different hair styles in each model!

[SturmChurro]

I don't think hrothgar should be blamed either. What were people saying about hrothgar exactly?

Pretty much that it should have been male viera instead of hrothgar, blaming hrothgar and hrothgar players for the exclusion of male viera at the time... Hrothgar players probably know exactly what I'm talking about.

[Midareyukki]

Oh, I haven't really been keeping up with any of that, only what was going on in my thread. What kind of comments have you been getting? Hrothgar are very eye catching to me and I think they bring a lot of variety to the game. Even though they have hair/hat issues, it was worth it to have them in the game. Maybe the graphics team is trying to resolve these issues before they release female hrothgar.

Apart from the general crap I've seen aimed at Hrothgar in general, the stuff I personally had to deal with were:

- Being excluded from my own former FC's events and screenshots with them for playing Hrothgar because they themselves didn't like Hrothgar
- Being blamed for "enjoying Hrothgar, a race that had stolen Male Viera"
- Some random guy in PF just trash talking me and another friend of mine the moment we walk into E5S for being Hrothgar
- Comments about being a furry. Which, okay sure, I am, but still not really something to just randomly trash talk people about?
- My personal favourite: being excluded from an RP venue and accused of being a zoophile. Completely unprompted. It was not an ERP place at all, it was just casual. They just didn't trust Hrothgar and Lalafell players.

Edit: This was both in-game and on discord. It's why I mostly just stick to Hrothgar-only groups now.