Should SE implement a way to poll the playerbase?

[cjbeagle]

Your feedback on the subject got to be seen. So did mine. So did CJs, and everyone else's. No one got filtered out at the basic level. No one was removed from the pool because they aren't a streamer with a follower threshold, no one got filtered out because they don't take part in the circus that is the parsing community.

Filtering yourself out is fine. Being filtered out is not.

Not to be overly pedantic, but literally billions of people got filtered out. The only people who passed the filter are people who presumably play FFXIV and care enough to visit its forums, and were filtered into the English forums based on their preferred language, and had enough interest in a DPS role to check this forum specifically.

imo that's relatively acceptable because this discussion is irrelevant to the vast majority of humankind and also because that same group has no idea what the topic being discussed even entails, but the same is true when filtering intentionally.

Why ask players who don't play FFXIV what they think about Kaiten? Why ask players who've never played samurai or ever actually used Kaiten what they think about Kaiten? In short, if someone has no idea what they're talking about, why consider their opinion?

Where to set the threshold is a valid question, but there IS a threshold, whether we like it or not - the argument is where it should be, not whether or not there should, or even will, be one.

[Kabooa]

Where to set the threshold is a valid question, but there IS a threshold, whether we like it or not - the argument is where it should be, not whether or not there should, or even will, be one.

As low as possible, is the answer.

As few arbitrary gates as needed, and then let the players sort themselves out through their answers as needed.

Kabooa likes to occasionally drop into the healer subforum to sneer at anyone repeating the "111111111" line, because he either poo-poos its existence or thinks it isn't a problem, and all we plebs who keep repeating that meme are the real problem with the role. Something something "whatever, your downtime rotation was never fun so you shouldn't care about it anyway". That's the "unproductive discussion enders" we're talking about.

Believe it or not, no, that isn't the one I'm referring to, because that's still a discussion that can lead itself to more productive waters. Button allocation, interaction, desired gameloop, etc. All things we can see the positives on in the current PVP kits, once the jank gets worked out.

[cjbeagle]

As low as possible, is the answer.

As few arbitrary gates as needed, and then let the players let themselves out through their answers as needed.

So basically what HyoMinPark offered before:

Questions that have a 1-to-5 rating scale can be qualified a bit more with questions on experience levels.

“Do you play SAM in FFXIV?”
1. Yes
2. No

And then further questions like “How often do you play SAM” on a scale of Very infrequently/Never to Very frequently/All the time; and “what types of content do you play SAM in? Check all that apply.” So the qualifications can exist with more specific questions; data can then be filtered based on answers to the above.

Perfect, works for me!

I could be wrong, but I think polling could be a valuable tool if used for simple litmus tests.

It's easy to assume that the vast majority of samurai players hate the 6.1 changes based on the ratios in the forums, but it'd be a lot more powerful if they could actually poll the playerbase and see if that sentiment holds up at scale, and if it does, perhaps they'd take the forum outrage more seriously.

[Kabooa]

So basically what HyoMinPark offered before:

Yes. My issue was specifically with people bringing up streamers, content creators, and parse jockeys to point at as authorities for game design, and any other method that is a preventative exclusion based on an arbitrary thresh hold.

The moment I say " no I do not play X", you are absolutely free to weigh me less, but not before I get to answer. I might have alts who I play the job on, that your character screening missed. I might have played but then stopped playing the job because of less recent changes, that the level checker missed. I might have core design issues and thus do not play the job, that 'arbitrary check 3' missed.

The developer doesn't have to worry about filtering me out. I'll take care of that myself.

[cjbeagle]

Yes. My issue was specifically with people bringing up streamers, content creators, and parse jockeys to point at as authorities for game design, and any other method that is a preventative exclusion based on an arbitrary thresh hold.

The moment I say " no I do not play X", you are absolutely free to weigh me less, but not before I get to answer. I might have alts who I play the job on, that your character screening missed. I might have played but then stopped playing the job because of less recent changes, that the level checker missed. I might have core design issues and thus do not play the job, that 'arbitrary check 3' missed.

The developer doesn't have to worry about filtering me out. I'll take care of that myself.

Understood! Sounds like we have a happy medium.