What reasons to play SGE over WHM or SCH?

[HyoMinPark]

The result isn't the same though. You get out one extra little attack and blow two stacks of your best healing resources that will take 40 seconds to regenerate for the sake of so-called efficiency.

You don’t need to use both. You can use one or the other. You misread my post.

They will both give you the same result as Physis + E.Prog + Pepsis — and you’ve used 1/3 of the resources in the process, conserve MP, and regenerate it. Kerachole is mitigation + HoT, and Ixochole is just regular heal after the damage. For most content, you will always have one or the other available for a raidwide. And you don’t even have to interrupt your damage GCDs for it.

I'm using nothing but MP and saving those stacks for other things.

For what? The regeneration is fast enough on Addersgall that you will never not have stacks unless everything bad is happening. E.Prog (and GCD heals in general) have always been regarded as last resort options for healers. This has been the case for years. Your oGCDs are simply stronger, and SGE is definitely not lacking in them. Utilize them first.

Surely if you really did want to be efficient, you'd be blowing Physis + Ixo for a stronger overall regen and a boost to the healing done by Ixo for the cost of 1 addersgall stack instead of two which is just objectively better for resource management as MP is used to pop the Physis and then immediately restored by the Ixo.

No. I would use one or the other because one or the other is more than enough to take care of the healing required. Healing requirements are very low in this game outside of specific high-end fights. And even those don’t have as many heal checks as they should.

As far as I'm concerned, Addersgall isn't there to be spammed but don't think I'm just sitting hoarding stacks of it either - I'm just saying that SGE has multiple ways of doing the same thing without needlessly burning stacks for the sake of getting out one extra Dosis. The best use of the GCD is doing whatever is best for the party, not your parse.

The irony of you saying this when you have "If you want more damage play a dps " as your forum signature is palpable.

Addersgall is your priority over GCDs. That is the case for all healers, with the exception of WHM. oGCDs > GCDs. It has very little to do with parsing, and everything to do with using your kit effectively and efficiently. But thank you for the strawman argument.

And by the way, I’m not the one with the “if you want to deal damage, play a DPS” signature. My signature has Korean song lyrics in it.

[IceBlueNinja]

The result isn't the same though. You get out one extra little attack and blow two stacks of your best healing resources that will take 40 seconds to regenerate for the sake of so-called efficiency. I'm using nothing but MP and saving those stacks for other things. Surely if you really did want to be efficient, you'd be blowing Physis + Ixo for a stronger overall regen and a boost to the healing done by Ixo for the cost of 1 addersgall stack instead of two which is just objectively better for resource management as MP is used to pop the Physis and then immediately restored by the Ixo.

As far as I'm concerned, Addersgall isn't there to be spammed but don't think I'm just sitting hoarding stacks of it either - I'm just saying that SGE has multiple ways of doing the same thing without needlessly burning stacks for the sake of getting out one extra Dosis. The best use of the GCD is doing whatever is best for the party, not your parse.



The irony of you saying this when you have "If you want more damage play a dps " as your forum signature is palpable.

good try about trying to use my signature as an excuse to try justify why pepsi should be used, you may use it and find a use for it and I respect that however I have no use for it because there is too many powerful tools in sage kit to easily cover raid wide heavy damage. Happy pepsis to ya friend.

[DormantOne]

Because pew pew baby! I'm like Han solos blaster x4!!

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Hmm I guess I like SGE for its ease of use vs SCH's kit. They're similar but SCH having heals and actions that originate from the fairy location makes it a little bit more work imo, even if it's something minor like having to place them again after Seraph. It makes SCH heals better for some situations though! Like having arena-wide coverage healing without needing to move your character to the middle which is super nice for stuff like P3S FoF or P4S Act 2. But yeah for me, it really just boils down to SGE being the simple, easy to pick up shield healer class with nice mobility. I like it

[ty_taurus]

The result isn't the same though. You get out one extra little attack and blow two stacks of your best healing resources that will take 40 seconds to regenerate for the sake of so-called efficiency. I'm using nothing but MP and saving those stacks for other things. Surely if you really did want to be efficient, you'd be blowing Physis + Ixo for a stronger overall regen and a boost to the healing done by Ixo for the cost of 1 addersgall stack instead of two which is just objectively better for resource management as MP is used to pop the Physis and then immediately restored by the Ixo.

As far as I'm concerned, Addersgall isn't there to be spammed but don't think I'm just sitting hoarding stacks of it either - I'm just saying that SGE has multiple ways of doing the same thing without needlessly burning stacks for the sake of getting out one extra Dosis. The best use of the GCD is doing whatever is best for the party, not your parse.



The irony of you saying this when you have "If you want more damage play a dps " as your forum signature is palpable.

I'm only a lowly blue-purple parsing SGE in savage, so take my experience with a grain of salt, but Addersgall is absolutely meant to be your immediate go-to in content. Even in Savage I encounter moments where I run into issues overcapping on Addersgall and use Druochole for the MP despite the party being fully healed. Otherwise, I am alternating between Addersgall heals regularly. I have never once used Pepsis in Savage. I used E. Prognosis more during prog, but lately it's used for a PF party that's struggling, FoF during P3S, and P4S finale where I'd rather just get a little extra security even if I don't feel I need it. It's PF after all.

Addersgall is incredibly fast to regenerate and Addersgall heals have very low cooldowns. You also have Rhizomata if you actually do burn through stacks quickly. Generally, Holos, Pneuma, and Panhaima are more tools I use for tighter situations where my Addersgall is on cooldown. If you are choosing E. Prognosis/Diagnosis over Addersgall, you are playing SGE wrong.

[Teno]

I'm only a lowly blue-purple parsing SGE in savage, so take my experience with a grain of salt, but Addersgall is absolutely meant to be your immediate go-to in content. Even in Savage I encounter moments where I run into issues overcapping on Addersgall and use Druochole for the MP despite the party being fully healed. Otherwise, I am alternating between Addersgall heals regularly. I have never once used Pepsis in Savage. I used E. Prognosis more during prog, but lately it's used for a PF party that's struggling, FoF during P3S, and P4S finale where I'd rather just get a little extra security even if I don't feel I need it. It's PF after all.

Addersgall is incredibly fast to regenerate and Addersgall heals have very low cooldowns. You also have Rhizomata if you actually do burn through stacks quickly. Generally, Holos, Pneuma, and Panhaima are more tools I use for tighter situations where my Addersgall is on cooldown. If you are choosing E. Prognosis/Diagnosis over Addersgall, you are playing SGE wrong.

The only use I've ever made of Pepsis was in between adds spawns when there's nothing targetable, full addersting and some hp to get back up on P3. But even then it's just because I'd never use it otherwise and it looks cool.

[IceBlueNinja]

I'm only a lowly blue-purple parsing SGE in savage, so take my experience with a grain of salt, but Addersgall is absolutely meant to be your immediate go-to in content. Even in Savage I encounter moments where I run into issues overcapping on Addersgall and use Druochole for the MP despite the party being fully healed. Otherwise, I am alternating between Addersgall heals regularly. I have never once used Pepsis in Savage. I used E. Prognosis more during prog, but lately it's used for a PF party that's struggling, FoF during P3S, and P4S finale where I'd rather just get a little extra security even if I don't feel I need it. It's PF after all.

Addersgall is incredibly fast to regenerate and Addersgall heals have very low cooldowns. You also have Rhizomata if you actually do burn through stacks quickly. Generally, Holos, Pneuma, and Panhaima are more tools I use for tighter situations where my Addersgall is on cooldown. If you are choosing E. Prognosis/Diagnosis over Addersgall, you are playing SGE wrong.

Well said for once we are on the same page heh.

[IceBlueNinja]

The only use I've ever made of Pepsis was in between adds spawns when there's nothing targetable, full addersting and some hp to get back up on P3. But even then it's just because I'd never use it otherwise and it looks cool.

I think is natural for this or any game to seem to have a pointless or nitche ability. Heck in fighters you always have that one meme char almost none uses. Am sure each job have at least 1 skill they wont touch period. pepsi/undraw/cure3 idk what sch dont use though.

[RobynDaBank]

SGE is comfy. It doesn't feel like SCH where abilities come off as very connected to each other. You press your bind and you get what you need, outside of Eukrasia interactions which are nonetheless quick and encourage mobility. Despite its shield-healing focus its direct heals are powerful too. Also the effects are nice, although I dislike the sound design of Dosis and Phlegma at their max rank.