The story is great, but it blatantly gets in the way of the rest of the game

[Iscah]

The majority of people who don't want changes are those who played the game cycle by cycle, so they haven't had to do it from start to finish. So, here's a challenge for you all, Go back to ARR with a level 1 character, NEVER touch any of the other side-stuff that doesn't get unlocked by the MSQ, do the REQUIRED dungeons/trials and see how long it takes before you give up and go back to the end-game.

I've played through the MSQ multiple times. Lore and creating multiple characters are both things I like. It's certainly a bit of a trudge to get through parts of it, but other parts I really enjoy replaying, and it certainly doesn't send me running back to endgame – there simply isn't much there for me. I'd rather build up another character and play with glamours.

Not only that, when a new player decides to voice their problems with the fact that the MSQ gates pretty much everything in the game, only to be met with so many people telling them to "play something else" and "final fantasy games are not for you". It's sad, and it's toxic.

I continue to be puzzled by the argument that "it's toxic to tell people to play something else". I've tried and disliked and abandoned dozens of games over time. It's how I find the things that I do like. No game can cater to every player, so if you have deep-seated issues with one then there is probably something else out there that you'd enjoy more.

Then to top it all off, the other thing people throw at you is "buy a skip potion" Why? Why should I pay FULL PRICE for a game that has a SUBSCRIPTION to then have to pay to get to the point of the game I want to play?

Like it or not (I'm not particularly keen on it myself) we have signed up for a game that we accept requires a monthly fee. If you play through the MSQ, that's maybe two months of paid subscription that you pay for. Money + time in = progress out.

A skip fast-forwards you to the result of that two months' progress, giving you the progress without needing to spend the time. From that perspective, it makes some degree of sense that SE wants you to pay them the money you would have had to spend on subscription fees to get to where you want to go.

On that logic, you haven't lost money by skipping (assuming you would have persevered to the end) and you're still well ahead on time spent, which makes it seem like not such a poor deal if you're willing to pay at all.

I won't deny it – a free skip option would be nice. But I can't see SE introducing the option for players to infinitely do it for free when right now they make money off it.

[pikalovr]

I've played through the MSQ multiple times. Lore and creating multiple characters are both things I like. It's certainly a bit of a trudge to get through parts of it, but other parts I really enjoy replaying, and it certainly doesn't send me running back to endgame – there simply isn't much there for me. I'd rather build up another character and play with glamours.

I continue to be puzzled by the argument that "it's toxic to tell people to play something else". I've tried and disliked and abandoned dozens of games over time. It's how I find the things that I do like. No game can cater to every player, so if you have deep-seated issues with one then there is probably something else out there that you'd enjoy more.

Like it or not (I'm not particularly keen on it myself) we have signed up for a game that we accept requires a monthly fee. If you play through the MSQ, that's maybe two months of paid subscription that you pay for. Money + time in = progress out.

A skip fast-forwards you to the result of that two months' progress, giving you the progress without needing to spend the time. From that perspective, it makes some degree of sense that SE wants you to pay them the money you would have had to spend on subscription fees to get to where you want to go.

On that logic, you haven't lost money by skipping (assuming you would have persevered to the end) and you're still well ahead on time spent, which makes it seem like not such a poor deal if you're willing to pay at all.

I won't deny it – a free skip option would be nice. But I can't see SE introducing the option for players to infinitely do it for free when right now they make money off it.

1. as i've stated before a story skip option will in no way shape or form affect how YOU play the game so stop using that as a counterpoint as to why others should slog through parts

2. cause it is toxic it's why telling people oh you don't like a thing about the game? go play another game, is toxic. like i said i didn't even join for the story and thought ARR was a slog so i should've just quit right then right? and not come to actually enjoy the story later on. get off this high horse of well people don't enjoy the game for the reasons i do so they should just go play something else automatically

3.for everyone else please please never condone stuff like this it's the reason more and more game companies feel they can literally do anything and get away with it or get a little backlash then attempt it again like 2 games down the line

also yes a free path to skip story will lose them money but very few people are gonna sit there and level 5 different alts through dungeons and trials alone their main and maybe one alt at most there's still plenty of reasons to just "boost" your character/alternative jobs they wanna play

[IdowhatIwant]

If you really want to know the influencers for this game, here's an interview from last year where he discusses that in depth. https://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fanta...-interview-wow

As for the whole tomestone system? If World of Warcraft had implemented such a system in their dungeon instances, I might give some credence to your conjectures. However, rewards that were anything like 'tomestones' in WoW have always been attached to daily quests, not dungeon roulettes. Dungeons have never been required content in WoW. So much for being a copycat game, eh?

Pretty sure Wraith and Cata had a token system tied into running the dungeons to get your class sets. And the raids dropped tokens to get a better raid set for heroics IIRC it's been a long time. I do remember heroic dungeons in Wraith was a stepping stone into raiding Nax as well as in Cata.

I continue to be puzzled by the argument that "it's toxic to tell people to play something else". I've tried and disliked and abandoned dozens of games over time. It's how I find the things that I do like. No game can cater to every player, so if you have deep-seated issues with one then there is probably something else out there that you'd enjoy more.

I won't deny it – a free skip option would be nice. But I can't see SE introducing the option for players to infinitely do it for free when right now they make money off it.

It's not really toxic it's just sort of a understatement. Obviously people wouldn't make suggestions of give criticism if they didn't like the game at all. And it is super common for "just quit" to be the answer to criticism on the forums.

You are right, SE probably won't do anything when they can make money off it, but I can still view it as a scummy practice.