Square Enix PVP Response is as out of touch as their NFT announcement

[Bureda]

Reporting people for "TEA Bagging" is necessary. It's toxic behavior and not at all in the spirit of PvP. It's harassment. Plain and simple.

I have had someone do it to me in PvP before. I was chasing them. They killed me. They did it to me. Fine whatever, it's not a big deal. But now this guy does it to me in the PvE realm whenever they walk by me. I'm just sitting on a bench in Limsa, talking to my friend. This guy shows up and spams on me for 30seconds. Then I have the awkwardness of explaining what this person's deal is to my friend and it's just uncomfortable.

The point being people are immature. They take things to far. Banning it outright just covers all bases for SE so it's a necessary evil and one that needs to be in place.

Now the other issues with PVP, definitely need addressed and hopefully sooner rather than later.

Literally nobody cares if you're tea bagged in a game. Literally nobody cares a firework is thrown over when you're downed.

I've had people tea bag me and jump on my body as a 3 man stack because I was focusing them in previous games. My response to that is 'oh shit, I see you'.

That doesn't even come on the same wavelength or importance as fixing blatant bugs or obvious broken and unfair mechanics like silence and polymorph.

This isn't just a dev issue. This community as a whole is trying to get offended too easily when they should be reflecting after every match on what they could do better. How to miss LBs less or land more abilities. Stuff like that takes time and can only improve over sleep and breaks. People getting tea bagged is not going to make you or anyone else enjoy the game more because you'll still be stuck in a certain rank.

Players in this community don't know what competitive means and how demanding it is, they do not self reflect and watch their own games to get better and all that care bear behaviour is being passed on to the dev team and they make out of touch announcements, make some minor changes and people are like; That's good enough. When pvp is dying by the day due to it feeling terrible and boring at as you go higher.

No, silence is still broken, polymorph is still broke, chain cc is still cancerous, base mechanics like purify and guard still do not function as intended, the tick rate seemingly isn't taken into calculation.

They talk about skill and the spirit of fairness but they fail to deliver their own words and just straight up threaten players.

That's why this is so out of touch.

Believe me, if their 'ranked' recieved the attention it needs people wouldn't act as toxic because they feel useless or bullied by unfair cc and mechanics.

WhM has the fastest lb in the game, along with a cc you cannot remove. Sam has two cc. Literal class favouritism of what I am assuming the two most popular jobs, but, in competitive that just doesn't feel nice.

[Seackei]

Jeez chill, this is like the first iteration of the new revamped PvP . Give them some more time to fix and balance things out.You cant expect them to deliver a perfectly balanced system in just a patch. Bugs are common, what game doesn't have it even games like league have tons of bugs and broken champion especially on release.

[Bureda]

Jeez chill, this is like the first iteration of the new revamped PvP . Give them some more time to fix and balance things out.You cant expect them to deliver a perfectly balanced system in just a patch. Bugs are common, what game doesn't have it even games like league have tons of bugs and broken champion especially on release.

I am going to expect them to listen to actual feedback and improve gameplay in the spirit of fairness and competition, what they announced isn't any of that.

[Eliana-Elrich]

Spamming "Nice job" and "Thank you" while losing or at the end of the match....You're basically the reason we have no real chat and I will report it every single

It's wild that peoples sensitivities went from being able to stone face the most horrendous abuses to getting hurt over someone spamming chat with "Nice Job" wtf happened to this community

[gioroggia]

It's wild that peoples sensitivities went from being able to stone face the most horrendous abuses to getting hurt over someone spamming chat with "Nice Job" wtf happened to this community

It's mildly annoying and serves no purpose whatsoever. I mean, will it increase anybody's chances of winning? Nope. It just makes people pissed at each other. Well, at least I imagine that's the case, since you can't see anybody's reactions anyway.

[gioroggia]

Reporting people for "TEA Bagging" is necessary. It's toxic behavior and not at all in the spirit of PvP. It's harassment. Plain and simple.

I have had someone do it to me in PvP before. I was chasing them. They killed me. They did it to me. Fine whatever, it's not a big deal. But now this guy does it to me in the PvE realm whenever they walk by me. I'm just sitting on a bench in Limsa, talking to my friend. This guy shows up and spams on me for 30seconds. Then I have the awkwardness of explaining what this person's deal is to my friend and it's just uncomfortable.

The point being people are immature. They take things to far. Banning it outright just covers all bases for SE so it's a necessary evil and one that needs to be in place.

Now the other issues with PVP, definitely need addressed and hopefully sooner rather than later.

Omg this is so awkward. It reminds me of this guy I met playing Lord of the Rings online many years ago who would see me sometimes in real life and call me by my character's name in front of other people :')

[Corbeau]

It's amazing seeing the number of threads on the same subject from people who just cannot comprehend the idea of not being a jerk to other competitors.

[Nukro]

Literally nobody cares if you're tea bagged in a game. Literally nobody cares a firework is thrown over when you're downed.

I've had people tea bag me and jump on my body as a 3 man stack because I was focusing them in previous games. My response to that is 'oh shit, I see you'.

That doesn't even come on the same wavelength or importance as fixing blatant bugs or obvious broken and unfair mechanics like silence and polymorph.

This isn't just a dev issue. This community as a whole is trying to get offended too easily when they should be reflecting after every match on what they could do better. How to miss LBs less or land more abilities. Stuff like that takes time and can only improve over sleep and breaks. People getting tea bagged is not going to make you or anyone else enjoy the game more because you'll still be stuck in a certain rank.

Players in this community don't know what competitive means and how demanding it is, they do not self reflect and watch their own games to get better and all that care bear behaviour is being passed on to the dev team and they make out of touch announcements, make some minor changes and people are like; That's good enough. When pvp is dying by the day due to it feeling terrible and boring at as you go higher.

Wow, there is so much to unpack there LOL

Here's a reality check dude, your beliefs are opinions not facts. You don't speak for the community and you don't get to claim that "no one cares". You can take tea bagging on the chin all you want, that doesn't mean everyone else has to. And to imply that people are pretending to be offended to cope with a lost game is beyond absurd. I can be offended that someone is tea bagging in-game and still be in top 100 on my dc, those things are in no way mutually exclusive.

It's ironic bordering on parody that you talk about self reflection here. Someone that actually did that would realize that their way of living wouldn't be right for everyone else. If you think people are faking it or that they are weak for feeling a certain way, then you're part of the problem. You might be fine with every game being like a CS:GO lobby but that's not how I like to chill after work.

Also bug fixes and balance changes have never fixed player toxicity. The only thing that curbs toxic behavior is community moderation, which is exactly what the new policy is.

[Karasio]

Shit talking will always be part of competitive games like this, and I personally feel people shouldn't be banned for just using chat. The actual toxicity that should be targeted is the people that genuinely throw matches, wintrade, cheat, etc. But also having free chat would be really nice. Yes, there will be people venting their frustrations in chat but that shouldn't take away from the benefits. For me personally, NOT having the ability to coordinate with my teams in any meaningful way pisses me off more than the blatant job imbalance. Having a competitive game mode with such limited communication is really bad, especially considering you're always going to be matched with 4 randoms (matchmaking being its own issue).

TL;DR: Don't ban people for shit talking and give us free chat

[Ransu]

It's wild that peoples sensitivities went from being able to stone face the most horrendous abuses to getting hurt over someone spamming chat with "Nice Job" wtf happened to this community

Its annoying, simple as that.