On Venat's Role in the Story

[Tehmon]

Agreed that the calamities were pretty bad and set back the Sundered quite a bit, erasing much history (I am still interested in Allag since 2.0, even after all this...)... I've wondered the same thing since ShB. No clue how much involvement Emet had in it since he didn't say, and if I recall, Amon was only recruited after Allag's fall.

I think the Sundered can share some of the blame for falling to their dark desires -- their flaws, vices, and wickedness are alluded to by those such as Amon, Nanamo's voice in UT, and so on, but still, hope would endure in spite of that. I am just not a fan of any implication that the sundered are simply poor, innocent children who can do no wrong as it undermines that message (as much as I have distaste to how it was all executed)... I mean, even Tiamat, an unsundered dragon, was swayed into the temptation of bringing back her loved one by the Ascians.

Elidibus handed Ilberd the Niddy eye, the means to accomplish something. Ilberd, a big boy who can think for himself and a moral agent, chose to martyr himself (and everyone with him!) so he could free Ala Mhigo at any cost.

Certainly sundered aren't innocent in their own right. That was never the intent behind anything I've said. What I mean is that ascians have actively and intentionally chosen to manipulate the sundered to their own means, and without such interference, one has to wonder how much better off such a world would've been, and what difference it would've made. And when trying to judge the actions of the sundered as a whole, I do not think we can ignore what influence ascians have had on things getting as bad as they have, even if it's part of the sundered's nature to fall to wickedness.

But alas, I think there are two parties in this dilemma falling to the wickedness that festers within.

[Skyborne]

Certainly sundered aren't innocent in their own right. That was never the intent behind anything I've said. What I mean is that ascians have actively and intentionally chosen to manipulate the sundered to their own means, and without such interference, one has to wonder how much better off such a world would've been, and what difference it would've made. And when trying to judge the actions of the sundered as a whole, I do not think we can ignore what influence ascians have had on things getting as bad as they have, even if it's part of the sundered's nature to fall to wickedness.

But alas, I think there are two parties in this dilemma falling to the wickedness that festers within.

Seems that we agree on this then.