On Venat's Role in the Story

[Kozh]

I think the weakness angle stems not simply from desiring the return of those you lost, but the willingness to inflict that suffering on others in order to avoid facing it yourself.

If that's the standard, I guess the sundered need another round of sundering then

Let's see, the Ironworks of 8UC who risked the whole word to dissappear. The Eorzean, Ala Mhigans and Domans who's willing to kill conscripted soldier to take back their lost freedom instead of "moving on". People in general who went ahead with their revenge for their loss (e.g estinien killing nidhogg, etc.). And many others. In fact, the sundered are more prone to violence than the unsundered.

As I've said before, we use our standard as mortal to unfairly judge the Ancients. We say "those lives have been lost, move on", because in real world, there's zero chance people coming back to life. That's not the case with the Ancients, probably. They have the means to bring back those they have lost, it's not a zero chance. You're telling me that we won't do the same should it's also the case for us or the sundered?

Ah yes, venat is so deeply empathized that she chose to not tell anyone about the final days, and prefer being vague as hell even when confronting the Ancients regarding their ""mistake"".

[EaraGrace]

If that's the standard, I guess the sundered need another round of sundering then

Let's see, the Ironworks of 8UC who risked the whole word to dissappear. The Eorzean, Ala Mhigans and Domans who's willing to kill conscripted soldier to take back their lost freedom instead of "moving on". People in general who went ahead with their revenge for their loss (e.g estinien killing nidhogg, etc.).

We're doing our greatest hits again.

Look if we are gonna equivocate fighting against an imperialist culture hellbent on conquering and "civilizing" the natives to...

*checks notes*

...human sacrifice...

then I don't think we should do this conversation again because I don't think it'll be productive to either party.

And many others. In fact, the sundered are more prone to violence than the unsundered.

That's certainly a way of interpreting the story. We breakin out the craniometers next?

As I've said before, we use our standard as mortal to unfairly judge the Ancients. We say "those lives have been lost, move on", because in real world, there's zero chance people coming back to life. That's not the case with the Ancients, probably. They have the means to bring back those they have lost, it's not a zero chance. You're telling me that we won't do the same should it's also the case for us or the sundered?

Nope. Never.

I can honestly say that if you came to me and said "I can bring back your dead loved ones but you have to trade a stranger's soul to do so" I'd tell you to hit the road. I'd fully believe you could, but nah. I love my family, but I'm not depriving another of life for that.

And actually let me ask you a hypothetical. If someone you loved needed an organ transplant, but you couldn't find a willing donor, would you think it right to go out and kill a stranger to save them? What if it was five people you loved?

Ah yes, venat is so deeply empathized that she chose to not tell anyone about the final days, and prefer being vague as hell even when confronting the Ancients regarding their ""mistake"".

Yep, she did deeply empathize. That's just a fact.