What reasons to play SGE over WHM or SCH?

[Calysto]

I went SGE over SCH (casual main 2.x-5.55) because SGE is the new toy that was most likely to have fun things (for a healer anyway) over SCH that get it's gameplay nerfed every ~2 patchs.
Gameplay is kinda the same ; It feels a bit more snappy with the eukrasia and pan/haima ; you can pre-shield while running which is nice ; shielding is rewarded.
On the downsides, you'll find yourself dumping stacks in kera just for mp when there's nothing to heal. and when there's a lot to heal it may be a bit harder if things are on CD.
I still miss my fairies and whacking people with my book for aestetics reasons, but I just don't feel like touching SCH again (even if meta say it's good).
and SGE gameplay kinda got nerfed from 6.0->6.1 too ; I have mixed feelings on Soteria and the full sting buff means there's no point shielding at the start. (but that ballance out with SCH waddle nerf)

[HyoMinPark]

I personally don’t see the Toxikon change as a nerf. It was a decent QoL for fights that don’t have a raidwide hitting within the first 10-20 seconds (P1S is an example of this). This way, you don’t lose out on mobility tools simply because the boss doesn’t open with a raidwide—versus before, you would just not get stacks…or, at most, 1 stack because you pre-shielded the MT.

I think the Soteria change mathed out to be a slight nerf? I can’t remember. I’d have to look it up. I didn’t really see the point in it being made into a stack-like mechanic, and I’m not sure what logic they used behind the decision.

[IceBlueNinja]

I personally don’t see the Toxikon change as a nerf. It was a decent QoL for fights that don’t have a raidwide hitting within the first 10-20 seconds (P1S is an example of this). This way, you don’t lose out on mobility tools simply because the boss doesn’t open with a raidwide—versus before, you would just not get stacks…or, at most, 1 stack because you pre-shielded the MT.

I think the Soteria change mathed out to be a slight nerf? I can’t remember. I’d have to look it up. I didn’t really see the point in it being made into a stack-like mechanic, and I’m not sure what logic they used behind the decision.

Soteria is a waste imo idk but I feel it needs a total rework or be gone and pepsi too. krasis now i have a like hate relationship for it sometimes it feels useful and other times I am like oh shoo it exists similar to snastry of ast.

[SlickPaws]

Soteria is a waste imo idk but I feel it needs a total rework or be gone and pepsi too. krasis now i have a like hate relationship for it sometimes it feels useful and other times I am like oh shoo it exists similar to snastry of ast.

-1 for literally all of this. Soteria is great for when your tanks knows what they're doing and you can focus DPS instead - saves you oGCD resources when you can just boost your Kardion heals. Pepsis is also an incredible AOE tool for dealing with raidwides and any time I see someone saying that it's bad/needs a rework/needs to be removed, I have to question if we're even playing the same class. One combo I've been using very effectively is Physis (for auto-physis) > E.Prog > Pepsis and it's genuinely enough to get everyone in range back up to full HP in the blink of an eye after a big raidwide. Krasis again, an under utilised and misunderstood tool - try using it in conjuction with Soteria and just see how crazy your Kardion heals become as you spam Dosis, Phlegma and Toxikon and weave these two abilities in between. Generally speaking when I play SGE, I'm not relying on my Addersgall to do all the work for me and needlessly throwing away resources that are going to take to regenerate when there's plenty of tools right there on my ability bar that could do the job just as well if not better.

[HyoMinPark]

-1 for literally all of this. Soteria is great for when your tanks knows what they're doing and you can focus DPS instead - saves you oGCD resources when you can just boost your Kardion heals. Pepsis is also an incredible AOE tool for dealing with raidwides and any time I see someone saying that it's bad/needs a rework/needs to be removed, I have to question if we're even playing the same class. One combo I've been using very effectively is Physis (for auto-physis) > E.Prog > Pepsis and it's genuinely enough to get everyone in range back up to full HP in the blink of an eye after a big raidwide. Krasis again, an under utilised and misunderstood tool - try using it in conjuction with Soteria and just see how crazy your Kardion heals become as you spam Dosis, Phlegma and Toxikon and weave these two abilities in between. Generally speaking when I play SGE, I'm not relying on my Addersgall to do all the work for me and needlessly throwing away resources that are going to take to regenerate when there's plenty of tools right there on my ability bar that could do the job just as well if not better.

I play SGE a lot in a myriad of content from dungeons to Savage/Ultimate, and I honestly don’t use Pepsis that often. Addersgall tools are more than enough for raidwides, and they should always be used first and foremost. Not only are they stronger than your GCD tools (with the exception of Pneuma, of course), they also regenerate your mana. Addersgall regeneration is once every 20 seconds, plus Rhizomata to give you a free stack every 90 seconds should you need one. Most content you’ll always have stacks because there simply isn’t enough outgoing damage to force you to blow through all of them prior to any regenerating. GCD barriers are weaker, and a mana drain. And to buff it like you’re saying you do is blowing more resources than necessary for most content in this game. Why use 2 or 3 things in your toolkit when you can get the same result using just one oGCD?

I think the only time I’ve resorted to using Pepsis is when I had literally nothing left in my kit. Either because I was synced down and missing all my fun stuff, or because I’m doing a lot of babysitting and my party is eating through all of my resources. My GCD barriers are the last things I touch when it comes to combat, so I don’t really see eye-to-eye on the Pepsis hype here.

[SlickPaws]

I play SGE a lot in a myriad of content from dungeons to Savage/Ultimate, and I honestly don’t use Pepsis that often. Addersgall tools are more than enough for raidwides, and they should always be used first and foremost. Not only are they stronger than your GCD tools, they also regenerate your mana. Addersgall regeneration is once every 20 seconds, plus Rhizomata to give you a free stack every 90 seconds should you need one. Most content you’ll always have stacks because there simply isn’t enough outgoing damage to force you to blow through all of them prior to any regenerating. GCD barriers are weaker, and a mana drain.

I think the only time I’ve resorted to using Pepsis is when I had literally nothing left in my kit. Either because I was synced down and missing all my fun stuff, or because I’m doing a lot of babysitting and my party is eating through all of my resources. My GCD barriers are the last things I touch when it comes to combat, so I don’t really see eye-to-eye on the Pepsis hype here.

The reason you're not seeing eye-to-eye is because you're misrepresenting the point. It's not the shield I care about because we agree that the GCD barriers aren't great - which is where Pepsis comes in. Burn the shields and turn it into Addersgall-free burst healing.
With Physis up and the Auto-Physis bonus happening on the oGCD, you pop Eurkrasia + Prognosis to increase it to a 330 potency heal on all party members in range. The shielding itself doesn't matter all that much because it'll get burned on the Pepsis which itself turns into a 385 potency heal with Auto-Physis still up for a combined potency of 715 burst on top of the regen you're already applying from Physis and at that point it's a set-it and forget-it kind of deal. I'd much rather pop this combo than waste Addersgall on something like Ixochole when it's not necessary, particularly given its cooldown. Give it a shot and integrate it more, I guarantee you'll be converted. I largely ignored Pepsis myself for all of this expansion but I have been playing nothing but Sage for the last couple weeks now but I've introduced it more into my play and it's a really powerful tool if you let it be.

[HyoMinPark]

The reason you're not seeing eye-to-eye is because you're misrepresenting the point. It's not the shield I care about because we agree that the GCD barriers aren't great - which is where Pepsis comes in. Burn the shields and turn it into Addersgall-free burst healing.
With Physis up and the Auto-Physis bonus happening on the oGCD, you pop Eurkrasia + Prognosis to increase it to a 330 potency heal on all party members in range. The shielding itself doesn't matter all that much because it'll get burned on the Pepsis which itself turns into a 385 potency heal with Auto-Physis still up for a combined potency of 715 burst on top of the regen you're already applying from Physis and at that point it's a set-it and forget-it kind of deal. I'd much rather pop this combo than waste Addersgall on something like Ixochole when it's not necessary, particularly given its cooldown. Give it a shot and integrate it more, I guarantee you'll be converted. I largely ignored Pepsis myself for all of this expansion but I have been playing nothing but Sage for the last couple weeks now but I've introduced it more into my play and it's a really powerful tool if you let it be.

I doubt that, because I prefer to play more efficiently when it comes to both my GCD and my resource management. Why would I blow Physis, waste a GCD on a barrier, and then break the shield when Kerachole and Ixochole get the same result? And they are more than enough to handle most raidwides—especially if you aren’t even doing high-end content. Their cooldowns are incredibly short given how powerful both are, and one or the other (or both) will be available for most raidwides in most content. If you need a burst heal, that’s what Zoe+Pneuma is for. To be honest, even naked Pneuma is overkill for a lot of content. The necessary healing is just too low.

A better use of your GCD is Dosis III. Not E.Prog. But you do you. I just don’t put as much stock in it as you due to how objectively inefficient it ends up being compared to literally any other resource in your kit. Maybe DRU will require it, but so far I haven’t used it outside of panic-healing during Week 1 P4S prog. Other than that, it’s virtually been untouched for me.

[IceBlueNinja]

-1 for literally all of this. Soteria is great for when your tanks knows what they're doing and you can focus DPS instead - saves you oGCD resources when you can just boost your Kardion heals. Pepsis is also an incredible AOE tool for dealing with raidwides and any time I see someone saying that it's bad/needs a rework/needs to be removed, I have to question if we're even playing the same class. One combo I've been using very effectively is Physis (for auto-physis) > E.Prog > Pepsis and it's genuinely enough to get everyone in range back up to full HP in the blink of an eye after a big raidwide. Krasis again, an under utilised and misunderstood tool - try using it in conjuction with Soteria and just see how crazy your Kardion heals become as you spam Dosis, Phlegma and Toxikon and weave these two abilities in between. Generally speaking when I play SGE, I'm not relying on my Addersgall to do all the work for me and needlessly throwing away resources that are going to take to regenerate when there's plenty of tools right there on my ability bar that could do the job just as well if not better.

I can press physis and kera or physis and ixo and all healing problems is easily fixed. Pepsi is too nitche and really not needed to cover big damage i do use krasis with physis and zoe I said I just have a like/dislike triangle of it but yeah soteria and pepsi I do amazing without so everyone had their own picking on spells. Example some people want physis change or gone and I have 0 issue with it, its really how some people look at some things. E prog and Pepsi cant come close to kera + ixo or physis + ixo oh and there is holos too so why bother with pepsi again? Eprog + pepsi is dps lost too since you gotta eurka first when you could already had hit kera+ixo and full heal + slight migi there you go

[SlickPaws]

Why would I blow Physis, waste a GCD on a barrier, and then break the shield when Kerachole and Ixochole get the same result?

The result isn't the same though. You get out one extra little attack and blow two stacks of your best healing resources that will take 40 seconds to regenerate for the sake of so-called efficiency. I'm using nothing but MP and saving those stacks for other things. Surely if you really did want to be efficient, you'd be blowing Physis + Ixo for a stronger overall regen and a boost to the healing done by Ixo for the cost of 1 addersgall stack instead of two which is just objectively better for resource management as MP is used to pop the Physis and then immediately restored by the Ixo.

As far as I'm concerned, Addersgall isn't there to be spammed but don't think I'm just sitting hoarding stacks of it either - I'm just saying that SGE has multiple ways of doing the same thing without needlessly burning stacks for the sake of getting out one extra Dosis. The best use of the GCD is doing whatever is best for the party, not your parse.

Eprog + pepsi is dps lost too

The irony of you saying this when you have "If you want more damage play a dps " as your forum signature is palpable.

[IceBlueNinja]

I doubt that, because I prefer to play more efficiently when it comes to both my GCD and my resource management. Why would I blow Physis, waste a GCD on a barrier, and then break the shield when Kerachole and Ixochole get the same result? And they are more than enough to handle most raidwides—especially if you aren’t even doing high-end content. Their cooldowns are incredibly short given how powerful both are, and one or the other (or both) will be available for most raidwides in most content. If you need a burst heal, that’s what Zoe+Pneuma is for. To be honest, even naked Pneuma is overkill for a lot of content. The necessary healing is just too low.

A better use of your GCD is Dosis III. Not E.Prog. But you do you. I just don’t put as much stock in it as you due to how objectively inefficient it ends up being compared to literally any other resource in your kit. Maybe DRU will require it, but so far I haven’t used it outside of panic-healing during Week 1 P4S prog. Other than that, it’s virtually been untouched for me.

This, and why would I wanna blow my big crit E oh my god it cover my dps/my entire bar or half tank bar and burn it via pepsi like heck no I love eating a tank buster as a healer or when we had a bad tank and the boss was cast the TB on my friend(ninja) that big E diag saved his behind on a very clutch moment enabling me to pick up the time and prevent use from wiping when boss was like only 5% e.e , glad we both on the same page ^^. 0 use for pepsi no matter how convincing one try to make it I dont like it or use it period. Too many other easy ways to fix big wide raid damage and we both mention what they are.