Trophy Crystal grind feedback

[Rowde]

I think it's a too early to call tbh.

while you are accurate in that there only 28k "free" or easier to gain TC through the Series Pass...
We don't know how often often nor how many items will be added to the Wolves' Den vendor with each patch.

Right now we assume that the series 2 pass with patch 6.2 will have a similar structure with at least 5 new unique rewards at the equivalent "malmstones" and another 28k TC. However, I don't realistically expect them to add the same amount of items to the vendors in patch 6.2 and most of the inventory will carried over and be the same.

In essence, I think the psychology behind the 20k exp for 1000 TC is more so that anyone grinding ranked CC still slowly gets drip fed something through the process.
While grinding the 20k exp for 1000 TC for enough crystals to buy everything either through FL or casual CC seems like an endeavor into madness as there will inevitably be another large injection of easier to get TC with each Series Pass with less and less items to buy with TC over time.

[SturmChurro]

There definitely needs to be more rewards, more desirable ones at the least.

[Syln]

The point I want to make here is offering suggestions that will add motivations for players to grind, instead of just old-school "grind a lot for little rewards" that discourage players from grinding. Of course, the game is cool at not asking players to not too focused on grinding and let them taking break, but I think it is reasonable to offer solutions for people who actually want to grind, while players who take break can still chime in occasionally and get some well-earned rewards for their contributions toward the liveliness of the content.



Back to the topic, after you get 28k Crystals from the series milestone and reach lv30, it will require 20k EXP for a mere 1k crystals. It doesn't feel like a grind many players want to do since too much efforts for little rewards.


For anyone interests in getting Hellhound stuffs or perhaps the reskinned Virtu gear for whatever reason, this becomes super grindy as these items require a large amount of crystal (10k crystal/hellhound weapon). In case you just want to buy all current one-time items (job actions and barding/minion), it requires 30,500 crystals, so you will have to grind 60k EXP to get them all.



I feel like challenge logs should update to provide trophy crystals, so that people will have motivation to pvp for weekly goals. Perhaps 1,000 per "participation x times" goal and 1,500 (or 2,000) per "win x times" goal.



Daily frontline should net you some crystal too. Prefer 500 crystals per pop.



Additionally, allowing to trade wolf marks into Crystals. 20k mark should yield you around 5k crystal (4:1 ratio).


Also, to prevent players hoarding crystals and buy off new rewards of next season day one, next series should use a different type of currency and convert the outdated one into wolf mark, not so different from how tomestone works.


In addition, series milestones should have crystal rewards scaled properly. If I grind 2,000 exp for 1,000 crystal, I believe grinding 5,000 exp should give more crystals sound reasonable enough.

Agree with everything you said, as it stand now the grind asked is absurd and feel unrewarding (20k xp for 1000 crystals, who thought it was ok ?).

[SturmChurro]

Agree with everything you said, as it stand now the grind asked is absurd and feel unrewarding (20k xp for 1000 crystals, who thought it was ok ?).

They seem to really like to implement massive grinds initially to stretch out the rewards they have. "Respecting your time".

[AnotherPerson]

The biggest problem I have with the Trophy Crystal grind at the moment is that there's no incentive to play CC after grinding the Crystals and getting the rewards even if you enjoy the content. What do you do then when you overcap on Trophy Crystals after you finish the grind? There's nothing in the store that you can buy once you clear out all the rewards because the rewards aren't renewable (most are just one time unlocks for Framer Kits, Orchestrion Roll, or Minions). You only need to buy the gear once for the glamour too. There's nothing like Materia, Venture tickets, Ingredients, or the like.

The whole Trophy Crystal thing is supposed to last for a long time through multiple patches so you still have things to buy by the start of a new series. Assuming every series will start introducing new items into the game, there will always be a reason to clear the series to get a new gear or emoticon, but that just causes a buildup of excess Crystals. Until we know for sure there are more rewards you can buy that isn't just a one -time unlock, I don't think there needs to be an easier access for Trophy Crystals.

[Nanne]

They seem to really like to implement massive grinds initially to stretch out the rewards they have. "Respecting your time".

Respecting time in the context of the quote doesn't mean that everything in the game is obtained in 5 minutes. Completely different point

[Garnix]

What is it with people saying "respecting your time" every time there is something optional to grind for?...
The game needs some grindy achievements to stay alive, especially in PvP which was deserted for so long...

[Syln]

What is it with people saying "respecting your time" every time there is something optional to grind for?...
The game needs some grindy achievements to stay alive, especially in PvP which was deserted for so long...

Absurd grinding is not needed and never has been, it was there yes but certainly wasn't needed back then. I did a lot of fucked up grinding back in wow and all i can say is that it's one of the most unimaginative and cancerous way to retain player.

So yes i do not like either the "respecting your time" buzz phrase, even more when it's use by corporate morons that actually doesn't do it at all (Just to make it clear i'm not talking about FF14 here) but that doesn't mean i want to have to win around 200 frontline to get 1 weapon skin, it's just silly .... even more when said weapon skin aren't some prestigious item, no it's the exact same that you could buy before but it just ask you to grind 10 times more for some arbitrary reasons.

[MomomiMomi]

What is it with people saying "respecting your time" every time there is something optional to grind for?...
The game needs some grindy achievements to stay alive, especially in PvP which was deserted for so long...

If it's too grindy I just won't do it. Congrats, they lost me either way. Just that this way, they lost me and I'm unhappy with the outcome.

[Knot_D]

Meanwhile my current milestone be like...