Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Nihility]

not gonna read 100 pages but I'm sure everyone is already aware that the problem is every job has a huge overabundance of OGC skills that basically all do the same thing which somehow leads to a lot more buttons for super homogenized classes.
Like every tank has so many OGC defensive skills they had to boost boss damage to need more than one at a time. One of the biggest constant complaints about dark knight is "i have to reserve a bit of my resources for a defensive cooldown? that's total BS!!"
every healer has so many OGC heals that bosses need to just do waves of aoe constantly to begin to use them up. It's actually to a point where the discussion for WHM is "is it worth it to use three healing spells over the course of a minute to charge afflatus misery?" It's really weird

on the other hand maybe braindead is what the casual players want, it does seem to be working after all =/

[MintnHoney]

on the other hand maybe braindead is what the casual players want, it does seem to be working after all =/

Not necessarily for the healer population, though I guess I can't really check the numbers on that. If I go by the most recent lucky bancho census numbers, then it could be suggested that healers currently represent the smallest population of the playerbase across most, if not all, levels, but I'll be honest and say that I don't really know how much, or well, that census represents anything, and I may actually be interpreting it incorrectly.

[HyoMinPark]

Not necessarily for the healer population, though I guess I can't really check the numbers on that. If I go by the most recent lucky bancho census numbers, then it could be suggested that healers currently represent the smallest population of the playerbase across most, if not all, levels, but I'll be honest and say that I don't really know how much, or well, that census represents anything, and I may actually be interpreting it incorrectly.

Unfortunately there are healers that want the jobs to remain braindead. I was in a conversation in my server’s NN about this, and there were some in there that said they’d rather have content do no damage at all so Eos/Selene can do all the healing while they just DPS and watch stuff on their other monitor. Not even it being about more damage = more healing = more stress. Literally just wanting to be lazy.

While there were others that agreed with my statement that healers are the only role in this game that become more boring to play the better your party is and that that is a problem, there are others out there that just want EZ queues, EZ roulettes, and EZ Netflix time. And it’s unfortunate that the latter group is who the developers seem to want to favor. Not those that actually want to feel more like healers and less like gimped damage dealers or glorified babysitters.

I like a healthy balance of both. I don’t want to be a heal bot—I like dealing damage as a healer—but since they don’t want to give me stuff to actually heal (outside of Ultimate, apparently, and you still aren’t spending even 50% of your time healing in those fights), give me something interesting to do while I’m dealing damage.


Also gonna piggyback off of Askellington’s assertion that healers aren’t tested until high-end—100% agree. And that is another issue, because they go 90 levels basically breezing their way through the game, and then decide to try out something even remotely challenging (read: something where you have to pay attention), and now suddenly everything is too hard and needs to be brought down.

Really, that goes for all jobs when it comes to content design. But healers especially.

[Ralt21]

on the other hand maybe braindead is what the casual players want, it does seem to be working after all =/

Think about it like. There will be some casuals that start to main healer. They might start to like what responsibility the job offers amd wants to play the job MSQ. Or maybe somebody who starting grinding up WHM, AST, or SCH from lv 1 / 30 to what ever the max lvl is. At some point they gonna notice that outside of dng where they have to babysit other players the healer are really boring when there is nobody else to heal and you dont take that much dmg.

You know there is more than just dungeons and ultimates in this game. We have fates, side quest, hunting and overworld monster.

I said the samething in another forum. And apparently i am echo-ing Askellington sentiment on healers.

[ASkellington]

Think about it like. There will be some casuals that start to main healer. They might start to like what responsibility the job offers amd wants to play the job MSQ. Or maybe somebody who starting grinding up WHM, AST, or SCH from lv 1 / 30 to what ever the max lvl is. At some point they gonna notice that outside of dng where they have to babysit other players the healer are really boring when there is nobody else to heal and you dont take that much dmg.

You know there is more than just dungeons and ultimates in this game. We have fates, side quest, hunting and overworld monster.

I said the samething in another forum. And apparently i am echo-ing Askellington sentiment on healers.

Yeah its been brought up. Multiple times. Hence why I call out my quote when people say "go do raids, go do EX, go do Savage" and YoshiP's "go do Ultimate".

Ultimate isn't even 10% of the game. That's 90% healers are NOT being tested. Are NOT having adequate engagement as per their kit asks of them (to do more healing). And Ultimate doesn't even really test healers either.

Further why is it only Ultimate that requires high amounts of healing? We have EX and Savage of trials and raids respectively. They can't get more frequent damage? Why? Give me a good reason SE.

Going back to Dungeons/Fates/Deep Dungeons/MSQ, why should I have to level up two different classes to not be bored to tears when an MSQ quest comes along that requires me to go into a solo instance for me not to be bored? Why should I be punished for picking healer as my starting class and have to suffer with 2 dps options: a nuke and a 30s dot (which I'll point out SGE doesn't even get until 30 WTF?) when no other role in the game has to do the same thing?

Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me "well, healer isn't meant to do solo duties"?

1. Why? Give me a legitimate reason as to why CNJ, WHM, SCH, AST and SGE when you get it are not supposed to do solo duties.

2. Why then can we START as CNJ if we're not meant to play through the MSQ as one? Why not have us start at 15 where we can spam dungeon options?

3. What if I want to level healer then? If I'm telling you 90-95% of the content is boring to play as a healer: Dungeons, Raids, Deep Dungeons, Fates, MSQ what then? Suffer through it to get to the fun stuff? FOR 20(SGE)/60(SCH/AST)/90(CNJ-WHM) LEVELS?

4. If SE wants to make this game more solo friendly, shouldn't they also be obligated to fix the 2 button dps issue then? If some poor SoB (me) picked CNJ GUESS WHAT THEY'LL BE DOING FOR 86 LEVELS? SPAMMING 21111111111111111111111111111111111111

"Don't play the role if you don't like it then".

I'm supposed to like pressing 2 buttons for most content? Ok. Would tanks or dps like to press 2 buttons for most content? No. Why should only healers suffer that?

I've played healer for NEARLY OVER a decade. Tell me if I think FFXIV's healers are the worst I've ever seen, the most boring and uninspired I've ever seen, the most unfun I've ever seen that it's just me and not the game. I don't THINK its me. In fact I KNOW it isn't me. The healing role is G A R B A G E. And there is nothing excusable about its state. None.

Also @Ralt21 if you thought you were stepping on my toes, nah. I'm agreeing with you wholeheartly and I'm glad to see someone else thinks this argument is complete BS and talking about it. I'm just using your quotes to emphasize.