New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[Midareyukki]

I was under the impression that the original mod that gave us ALL the headgear options in addition to scaling up the models that replace the head entirely took 6 months time to complete, start to finish. it's existed for a while now, but it didn't just appear in the first two weeks of Shadowbringers?

That's why I say "it's work that's been done before". And it didn't appear at the start of SHB but to my knowledge modding wasn't AS widespread as it became as SHB continued to grow. It still didn't take nowhere near as much time as Square likes to claim it did.

Yet the new mod not only fixes the hairstyles, it even adjusted some headgear to fit the head squish. There's a new version of that mod, that's what I'm saying, and all those updates were done in 2 weeks.

[Chikatsu]

It’s probably the one I most certainly did not download after the April 1 live letter….

[Midareyukki]

It’s probably the one I most certainly did not download after the April 1 live letter….

It most certainly wouldn't be one available at that time, it was released yesterday on the 22nd. I mean it when it was 2 weeks. 2 weeks to deal with the changes Square did in around 6 months. And yeah, again, I reiterate. It naturally involved some work that was already done by said amateurs before, but it's still showing that it really isn't rocket science. And from the people who have used those things, I've heard no complaints. Stuff may clip, but it's a small price to pay for availability.

Square needs to ditch its clipphobia >w> when Endsinger's hair locks clip through eachother, there's no real reason to fear players clipping on their own hair for minor pixels.

[Chikatsu]

It most certainly wouldn't be one available at that time, it was released yesterday on the 22nd. I mean it when it was 2 weeks. 2 weeks to deal with the changes Square did in around 6 months. And yeah, again, I reiterate. It naturally involved some work that was already done by said amateurs before, but it's still showing that it really isn't rocket science. And from the people who have used those things, I've heard no complaints. Stuff may clip, but it's a small price to pay for availability.

Square needs to ditch its clipphobia >w> when Endsinger's hair locks clip through eachother, there's no real reason to fear players clipping on their own hair for minor pixels.

oh cool. I did not realize that hats had been updated past 6.1, I just know they had a fix for the ear removal that afternoon.

[Haventale]

Imagine if they released a new hairstyle for Miqo’te that deleted their noses. You’d guarantee the devs wouldn’t call that acceptable to release, but because it’s Hrothgar, suddenly they just don’t give a damn.

[Seafishie]

It's been almost two weeks and I've yet to come across any Hroths with the new hairstyles. You would think there'd be more Hroths sporting the 2B hairstyles.

[Akimori]

What Reivaxe is saying is that the 4 heads' proportions are not standardized. The most noticeable discrepancy are the ears, Hroth ears' placement/ear size + shape vary between the 4 heads. If you plopped the heads into a 3D program and imposed them on top of each other the point where they meet the head would not line up. Thats what "uniqueness" they are talking about.

I don't have maya on this computer anymore so apologies for less technical examples

Imagine blue lines are standardized features and red are unique features

Every other race has a fixed place where its [non human feature] meets the head, be it horns or animal ears. The heads are uniform, the faces are more like face plates on nendos. If I were modeling a hairstyle for male Miqo'te, I would only need 1 male Miqote model because options 1, 2, 3 and 4 are uniform. It wouldn't matter if a user played the old man face or the Graha face, their heads + ears are standardized so hair will line up the same on their head regardless.

In comparison, Hrothgar are more unique than they are standardized. Some ears have wider bases, some sit higher on their head, etc. Its more difficult to make a one size fits all hairstyle across their 4 faces, which is the how/why we got earless Hroth hair: they went for a simple one size fits all solution...which as we've all seen, doesn't really look good.

Thank you for clarifying for me. Now that I can actually see it,, it makes a bit more sense for me at least. Still dont accept it, but ...yea

Also I love your angry face 4 hroth!

[Doragan]

And it's not just our hair. Square has had really awful QA of late - see all of the horror stories involving the housing lottery which, let's be honest, is a pretty fundamental failure, and frankly a bigger headline than our hair, simply because it makes a better news article.

QA and QC aren't the ones fixing the bugs. All they do is giving internal feedback to the ones implementing the features. Unfortunately, in the video games industry as a whole, when you're pressed for time, fixing bugs is one of the last things that will happen. The housing issue was mostly due to cardboard servers rather than an actual bug, but it should've been foreseen anyways. This was expected.

And aside from Yoshida, if they don't care very much about customer feedback.. can you really expect them to listen to the internal feedback at all?

If customers clearly noticed it wasn't good at all, do you really think the people working at these departments haven't noticed them first? Do you really think they were listened to one bit? In my opinion, absolutely not. Meeting deadlines was probably more important to the people in who were in charge, especially after the reaction to push EW to two more weeks.

I think it's too easy to just point QA out, when they're probably the first ones who saw this coming, they warned their higher-ups, the higher-ups couldn't care one bit because "not cost-efficient lol" or some BS like that and flushed their concerns to the toilet.

Imagine if they released a new hairstyle for Miqo’te that deleted their noses. You’d guarantee the devs wouldn’t call that acceptable to release, but because it’s Hrothgar, suddenly they just don’t give a damn.

Unfortunately, that was probably part of their reasoning to why they haven't communicated about it more openly.
If it ended up showing up on news outlet, you can bet your ass that they would've done a long post about it.

[Midareyukki]

Unfortunately, that was probably part of their reasoning to why they haven't communicated about it more openly.
If it ended up showing up on news outlet, you can bet your ass that they would've done a long post about it.

Pretty much. They know that it's not that big a playerbase that will actually use these things. So they think it won't stir up the waters too much, and thus feel like they can get away with it.

Even if more and more people rise in support, it still won't be enough to justify it. Especially not when so many people more white knight them to oblivion. We've had Zepla talk about it and a couple content creators more here and there, but they were just mentions. They're not constantly talking about it, they're not constantly insisting for the dev team to be fair on these races. They're not addressing how it's been 3 years worth of nothing but 2Hroth and ridiculous hare-brained excuses to get away of having to do work. We need more, and we won't get it. I doubt Roegadyn would, Viera for sure haven't. Hrothgar virtually stand no chance. And with dumb answers like those that only fool the truly ignorant, then yeah, the dev team makes that very clear.

Why are we even in this game? Before anyone starts with the same stupid thing, no one asked the devs for Ronso. Nowhere near as much as Viera anyway; the devs did it out of their own volition. So why? Why are we here? Just to be treated like this? Why implement us in the first place? What was the point?

However, I do want to point out that if they are as benevolent and caring for the fanbase as people insist they are, they would have addressed these issues. Because they do have people who play these races, love these races and make content with these races. Why is it okay to ostracise them? Over numbers? Is that what we are? Because if so, then people need to stop lying to themselves and others that this dev team cares as much as they think they do.

I just wish, however, that the people that don't play these characters wouldn't come over and start accusing us of crying about things "we knew". Not only no, we did not know it would be this bad, it's also a hollow statement when the devs would likely bend over backward for their race at any given error.

[Nestama]

It's been almost two weeks and I've yet to come across any Hroths with the new hairstyles. You would think there'd be more Hroths sporting the 2B hairstyles.

I've seen maybe two. One with the Snow hairstyle (which is passable) and another with this hairstyle (no, it did not look good and I can only assume they lost a bet. It'd probably look passable with the werewolf/fox ears, or Ultima horns).