Everyone that entered the lottery should have a second chance - it wasn't fairly done

[TaleraRistain]

they aren't going to undo won homes.

I think the only thing they can do fairly to everyone that was involved is along the lines of
reduce FC exclusive to like 10
open up 3-4 new wards(meaning every district so actually 15-20 + all the vacant small/medium in ishgard 11-18)
give the first lottery exclusivity to those that participated in the nightmare lottery as an apology(people will cry about being not allowed but then again they always do and if they didn't care to enter the first lottery what is their argument?)
then go back to the normal lottery/results pattern they initially intended... with the errors fixed of course

Well, no, because those were all legitimately won. And the 0 was an error in communicating winners. There was no issue with the lottery itself. They know who won what and they're working out how to get those houses into the winner's hands. It's a little complicated by the fact some people have gotten refunds, so they have to figure how to collect gil in those cases.

[Packetdancer]

It's a little complicated by the fact some people have gotten refunds, so they have to figure how to collect gil in those cases.

This.

Presumably if no one had refunded their bids, SQEX could've just added code to send the results to the placards again, ensuring that any which didn't get the data now actually received the info on their winner. And -- provided the code now had some more fault-tolerance in the case of issues -- people could then just claim their wins.

(Though to guess from their "if you did win, please claim the plot" request on Lodestone, they probably don't have a list on the lottery-server side of which plots didn't get results, just of all the results for all the plots. Presumably if people whose plots did get the results claim the plot, they can then likely just use "all unclaimed plots" as the target set, thus reducing the number of plots they have to re-send.)

The fact that people took the money out of the placards -- including people who won plots -- almost certainly complicates things immensely. No part of the system is set up to take money outside of accepting bids during the lottery window, but re-opening the lottery on the errored-out plots (to accept bids) would presumably invalidate the existing actual wins. Which would be wildly unfair to the people who were sole bidders, won the plot, but fell prey to the "placard never received the result, so shows 0" issue and thus couldn't claim it. So I would bet gil that's the thing they're trying to solve right now: what can be done to collect the gil from winners and award them the plot that they won even in the cases where they already withdrew the money.

And whatever the solution to that is, it's likely to be something they have to code from scratch.

[Illmaeran]

sometimes it got a busy signal...

Someone's showing their age...<3

[Packetdancer]

Someone's showing their age...<3

*laugh*

I honestly couldn’t think of a better analogy off-the-cuff, I fear. I considered working with a traffic jam to represent an IO bottleneck, but…

(Besides, I told myself “analog” is part of analogy, and so that justifies it!)

[Lecru]

Yes. It was fair. They'v already said this. The houses that got rolled on PROPERLY were done within the system. The ones that 0'd out HAVE WINNERS but the system didn't register it and that's what being fixed. You lost. Move on and come to terms with that

[Nihility]

Well, no, because those were all legitimately won. And the 0 was an error in communicating winners. There was no issue with the lottery itself. They know who won what and they're working out how to get those houses into the winner's hands. It's a little complicated by the fact some people have gotten refunds, so they have to figure how to collect gil in those cases.

how is that not good?
people feel spited
people are quitting for not getting a home
people think SE is just saying what they think will appease the masses
there's screenshots on reddit of small houses having over 200 bids so clearly demand is very high

CN and korea have already shown that there are actually 30 wards so open some more up, get people in houses.
The barren landscape in FC wards shows they don't need so much so get those houses moving too

and go even farther than that. Put in suite and penthouse options in the apartments to upgrade the floor plan to single story house and mansion. Add an instanced rooftop garden and basement workshop so anyone has access to those features


No one loses their home, people that feel spited get a second chance without the zeros to blame their pain on and more homes on the market for people looking in the future. I can't see a downside

[Illmaeran]

*laugh*
(Besides, I told myself “analog” is part of analogy, and so that justifies it!)

Not too long ago I called someone on a cell number and got a busy signal. Thinking nothing of it I hung up and tried back later only to get the busy signal again. Only after trying again the next day and getting the signal yet again did it occur to me that I was calling a *cell phone* with voice mail and a busy signal likely meant something was wrong. I called their land line and got through no problem.

I'm just glad I've never tried dialing by rotary on my cell....derp.


Yes, analog's in analogy, so you're clear!

[Rilifane]

how is that not good?
people feel spited
people are quitting for not getting a home
people think SE is just saying what they think will appease the masses
there's screenshots on reddit of small houses having over 200 bids so clearly demand is very high

CN and korea have already shown that there are actually 30 wards so open some more up, get people in houses.
The barren landscape in FC wards shows they don't need so much so get those houses moving too

and go even farther than that. Put in suite and penthouse options in the apartments to upgrade the floor plan to single story house and mansion. Add an instanced rooftop garden and basement workshop so anyone has access to those features


No one loses their home, people that feel spited get a second chance without the zeros to blame their pain on and more homes on the market for people looking in the future. I can't see a downside

Just because you think it's some housing conspiracy and SE doesn't really have valid winners for each plot people that won fair and square according to SE should have a high chance of losing their plot by entering a lottery reroll?
No.
I won my plot, SE has stated that the rolls were correct and that the remaining correct winners will get their plot once they fixed it. Everyone who lost, lost. Period. There is no 0 to blame, that's lottery life for you and everyone who entered knew they have a very small chance of winning. If they quit because they can't deal with rng, that's on them. I have absolutely no empathy for people whining in hopes of depriving people that legitimately won of their plots so they can have another chance with a reroll if that is really what you are suggesting.

[TaleraRistain]

how is that not good?
people feel spited
people are quitting for not getting a home
people think SE is just saying what they think will appease the masses
there's screenshots on reddit of small houses having over 200 bids so clearly demand is very high

CN and korea have already shown that there are actually 30 wards so open some more up, get people in houses.
The barren landscape in FC wards shows they don't need so much so get those houses moving too

and go even farther than that. Put in suite and penthouse options in the apartments to upgrade the floor plan to single story house and mansion. Add an instanced rooftop garden and basement workshop so anyone has access to those features


No one loses their home, people that feel spited get a second chance without the zeros to blame their pain on and more homes on the market for people looking in the future. I can't see a downside

It's not bad to give suggestions on how to make more private housing available. And I've seen mentioned that they may adjust the FC/private distribution after they see how things are working.

But that doesn't change anything about how the lottery wasn't broken. Some of those people who feel spited may have actually won their house. They know who the winners are. There's no reason to reroll anything or give anyone exclusivity in any new rolls. They just need time to get the winner's houses in their hands. And as I mentioned, that's complicated by the idea they still have to collect gil and in some cases that gil isn't deposited anymore.

[Nihility]

It's not bad to give suggestions on how to make more private housing available. And I've seen mentioned that they may adjust the FC/private distribution after they see how things are working.

But that doesn't change anything about how the lottery wasn't broken. Some of those people who feel spited may have actually won their house. They know who the winners are. There's no reason to reroll anything or give anyone exclusivity in any new rolls. They just need time to get the winner's houses in their hands. And as I mentioned, that's complicated by the idea they still have to collect gil and in some cases that gil isn't deposited anymore.

seriously? did you even read what I wrote? and by the amount of replies... did anyone?
I said add more wards and open up a chunk of the FC only wards for anyone to roll on... I even said they're "NOT" going to take away already won homes

If you give people a second chance without the bug they lose the excuse that SE is screwing with them... We need a ton more housing anyways. Why is the thought of that met with such friction? I don't understand it at all

I didn't even try... I like my house but I have a lot of FC mates that are pissed off