PvP Rewards; 6.1 and beyond.

[SamiMoshantu]

Continue to make new rewards, and give us re-named, re-skins of the old rewards for 30 wolf collars per piece. Boomers and zoomers both get what they want. Problem solved.

I'm okay with this. I don't entirely like it, I still don't think those old rewards should have been time-limited in the first place, and I don't think I should be locked out of several color options for such reasons, but at least having access to a magitek chair at all is... an acceptable compromise to me.

So long as the new rewards don't eventually become unobtainable that is. If they do, then we're right back at the FOMO design that everyone is yelling about.

[Cpt_Jack_Irons]

You'll still have it though. Make it hard to get sure, but just because you put in a bunch of time and was good enough (or wintraded, I don't know your life) to get the mount shouldn't mean I am now never allowed to have that oppertunity because I wasn't playing PvP then.

Literally this, every player should be given a fair chance to earn everything ingame i don't mind if its locked behind a grindy achievement i just want a fair shot at earning the magitek chair.

Continue to make new rewards, and give us re-named, re-skins of the old rewards for 30 wolf collars per piece. Boomers and zoomers both get what they want. Problem solved.

Then that just generates a unnessecary bloat of items just to keep boomer PvP players happy.

[Sinstrel]

Then that just generates a unnessecary bloat of items just to keep boomer PvP players happy.

Tbf it would only be considered bloat to the boomers who have the old re-wards and then also want to get the new versions. But what's the point in doing that, especially for 30 wolf collars per piece it doesn't seem worth getting the reward twice.

[Aubrey_A]

My thoughts haven't changed since the last time a thread like this came up. The most recent official response I can recollect was back at the Korean Fan Festival Q&A Corner.

I have attached that link here: https://translate.google.com/transla...F55927097.html

The question and answer I'm referring to (translated):

Q. Are you planning to make a way to get past Feast reward mounts?

A. No. I think that mount was the result of efforts to get into the ranking at that time. Yoshida P himself also thinks that it is important to have such rare items as a gamer.

The thought of the items being re-released irks me for all the effort that went in at that point in time for something that seemingly looked like it would never be re-run. I don't think that sense of urgency could be replicated in such a way to justify a re-release of these items.

On the other hand, the thought of these items falling to obscurity due to lack of use also irks me. Against my personal feelings the feast rewards should be re-obtainable in some way. I just hope that if they are to be re-released (or continue to be re-skinned), there is an equal investment to what was required in past feast seasons.

A potential solution could be to run limited quantities of these past feast rewards (~50) on a cycle through every feast crystal conflict season/ series. It gives new players the opportunity to obtain these items, but keeps them in a small enough quantity to create competition for them. This also gives the guarantee that every can obtain one, so long as they compete for it. The reward you are looking for may be gone during that season, but it is not gone forever.

[Nihility]

they're probably going to use slight recolors of all of it as future rewards. Technically it's a different item right?

[Sinstrel]

...I just hope that if they are to be re-released (or continue to be re-skinned), there is an equal investment to what was required in past feast seasons.

Exactly this. They could accomplish this by making the reskins cost an absurd amount of wolf collars (like 30-60 per piece) and then also increasing the amount of trophy crystals you obtain in crystal conflict based on your rank. At the diamond and crystal level you should be given a large sum of trophy crystals per win.

This would make the re-skinned reward less obtainable by casual play and almost exclusively obtainable through winning many games at the high ranks of Crystal Conflict. With some fine tuning this could be as hard as it was in the past, or even tuned to be harder depending on how many trophy crystals you want to award diamond/crystal ranked players.

[Stormfur]

My thoughts haven't changed since the last time a thread like this came up. The most recent official response I can recollect was back at the Korean Fan Festival Q&A Corner.

PVP Elitists like to bring that up as if Yoshi P hasn't ever changed his mind once in the entire direction of the game. Remember when he said that blue mage was impossible with the way this game was configured? That housing would be accessible and affordable? That GARO probably wouldn't come back and that's why it lasted 2 years?

Well, here we are with Blue Mage somehow worked out, housing is a whole other can of worms and now we have GARO back too. I mean, they didn't HAVE to redo PVP either but old Feast teams were a catastrophic flop, Feast itself was terribly broken, PVP was withering on the vine for all but the most die-hard of players. And yet now we have this new mode which is bringing in more players than Feast ever did in its entire history.

So I'd like to think those old rewards will make a comeback in some way. I think our producer and director had to take a step outside of thinking "can't/won't/will never" and has started to think instead, "could/might/what if".

[SamiMoshantu]

A potential solution could be to run limited quantities of these past feast rewards (~50) on a cycle through every feast crystal conflict season/ series. It gives new players the opportunity to obtain these items, but keeps them in a small enough quantity to create competition for them. This also gives the guarantee that every can obtain one, so long as they compete for it. The reward you are looking for may be gone during that season, but it is not gone forever.

This is exactly what I want. Make it hard to obtain, sure, even make it too hard for me to currently get, sure. I know I'm trash at PvP. But I want the goal to work towards, and I want to know it's not going to be snatched away forever if I take too long, because then I just give up and don't bother. Especially with how bad SE is at stopping cheating and win trading.
Speaking of which, cheating and win trading make me worry about limiting the actual quantity. Until/unless SE actually takes so measures to ensure that top 100 is actually good players instead of just cheaters, I don't really think that it should have any bearing on the rewards, because it's pretty much meaningless.

Exactly this. They could accomplish this by making the reskins cost an absurd amount of wolf collars (like 30-60 per piece) and then also increasing the amount of trophy crystals you obtain in crystal conflict based on your rank. At the diamond and crystal level you should be given a large sum of trophy crystals per win.

This would make the re-skinned reward less obtainable by casual play and almost exclusively obtainable through winning many games at the high ranks of Crystal Conflict. With some fine tuning this could be as hard as it was in the past, or even tuned to be harder depending on how many trophy crystals you want to award diamond/crystal ranked players.

That's a really good idea. It would give a reason for rank to matter, but still require you to put in effort after reaching the rank, and avoid limiting it to just the top cheaters while still factoring in skill and making you get good to get it, AND leave the path open for someone who's not particularly good but extremely dedicated.

Can we send this idea to Yoshi P? Get him to read this thread somehow?

[Cesarion]

People here defending the feast players of old that would block 3-8 spots with their alts in the TOP 100 ranking
There were like 10 players that did this, and they atleast blocked 30 spots that way EVERY SEASON, not to mention the scripters that also blocked a few spots, so I dont feel any sympathy for them nor do I care if they lose their precious exclusive rewards.

[KageTokage]

People are already win-trading and otherwise rigging CC matches via alt accounts to such an extent that I feel like they ought to just abolish the rankings entirely and add additional scoring tiers for rewards instead.