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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    In optimized raid settings SCH+AST are the meta but SGE is great too so I'd just pick whichever you enjoy most
    I'd say it's the other way around. SGE + SCH gives you the most bang for your buck when your party's not making mistakes, but AST + SCH has more safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    I'd say it's the other way around. SGE + SCH gives you the most bang for your buck when your party's not making mistakes, but AST + SCH has more safety.
    I don't really see how Sage isn't as safe as Astrologian. The only on-demand tools AST has over Sage are their regens and Benefic II, where I'd argue having twice as many Lustrate/Druocholes to spare is going to make a bigger difference. If you mean the burst healing CDs AST does have let the shield healer in its pairs flex more since it's technically more efficient on the spot, I can kinda get it, but to me that's more risky at a baseline level given how finicky AST's tools are. Don't get me wrong, they're good, but I'd feel more comfortable with the Sage/Scholar pair just given the sheer amount of redundancy and uptime on their resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimoire-M View Post
    I don't really see how Sage isn't as safe as Astrologian. The only on-demand tools AST has over Sage are their regens and Benefic II, where I'd argue having twice as many Lustrate/Druocholes to spare is going to make a bigger difference. If you mean the burst healing CDs AST does have let the shield healer in its pairs flex more since it's technically more efficient on the spot, I can kinda get it, but to me that's more risky at a baseline level given how finicky AST's tools are. Don't get me wrong, they're good, but I'd feel more comfortable with the Sage/Scholar pair just given the sheer amount of redundancy and uptime on their resources.
    ast can carry awful parties a lot harder in my experience. astrodyne gives you near infinite mp even with 0 piety, and stronger gcd heals makes clown fiestas more salvageable.
    when i progged endsinger ex as sage, half the time i was like "man, i definitely couldve saved this run if i was playing ast"
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    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    ast can carry awful parties a lot harder in my experience. astrodyne gives you near infinite mp even with 0 piety, and stronger gcd heals makes clown fiestas more salvageable.
    when i progged endsinger ex as sage, half the time i was like "man, i definitely couldve saved this run if i was playing ast"
    Yeah, they have better MP management, Macrocosmos, and better GCD heals to salvage a rough run. None of that is necessary, but SGE can have a harder time in a run that's going south.
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