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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    No, it definitely is hyperbole. There are several threads on the very front page that heavily criticize the developers, their approach, the story, and the content they release. In fact, you are sitting in a very thread doing such. So I don't think you can really make the comment that your voices are being silenced via report and ban. If this is in fact the case, then some people need to revise what they deem as cordial behavior. Something must be wrong if some voices are silent, whilst some aren't. Just take this very thread. 8 threads on the front page have the nature of providing critique.

    If you feel this is the case, or if other people do then they ought to revise the definition of cordial in their dictionary, because suffice to say there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Furthermore, not all reports result in a ban.
    It's not just these few recent threads, dude.
    It's been years. Like I said, the game has been getting worse since SB.

    I will admit that here in EW, people are voicing their concerns a bit more because the majority feel the same.
    About time lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jybril View Post
    It's not just these few recent threads, dude.
    It's been years. Like I said, the game has been getting worse since SB.

    I will admit that here in EW, people are voicing their concerns a bit more because the majority feel the same. About time lol.
    Yes, I can find many dead threads on this forum with plenty of critiques of the game. So once again I tell you, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary regarding your conspiracy theory that there is a deliberate silencing of people who are offering critique. Bluntly put, I'm just going to say either there's a disparity between what you understand as being cordial, and what is in reality expressing oneself in a cordial manner. Alternatively, people are just trying to garner sympathy with the illusion that they are being silenced for merely offering critique. Once again, evidence to the contrary regarding your claim and the exhibit are these very threads. If other threads have been deleted it is likely because of a significant overflow of people doing needless back and forth with insults as opposed to being banned or removed for offering a cordial opinion of the game. If this were the case then this thread alongside the thread regarding the disapproval of the storytelling in the game would have been removed long ago (Maybe if threads have been deleted the person should try and elect for a more civil route in future).

    My only problem with your post was:
    whenever someone says something you don't like, you report us and get us banned because we aren't kissing feet.
    So what do you get? People who defend this game with praises while the rest are silenced.
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    Last edited by Kaurhz; 04-21-2022 at 06:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    Yes, I can find many dead threads on this forum with plenty of critiques of the game. So once again I tell you, there is plenty of evidence to the contrary regarding your conspiracy theory that there is a deliberate silencing of people who are offering critique. Bluntly put, I'm just going to say either there's a disparity between what you understand as being cordial, and what is in reality expressing oneself in a cordial manner. Alternatively, people are just trying to garner sympathy with the illusion that they are being silenced for merely offering critique. Once again, evidence to the contrary regarding your claim and the exhibit are these very threads. If other threads have been deleted it is likely because of a significant overflow of people doing needless back and forth with insults.

    My only problem with your post was:
    i agree, i don't remember silencing but you get attacked for each opinion especially controversial ones like Viera and Hrothgar and their treatment which i still think is absolute disgrace that after 4+ yeears(an entire expansion and beyond) those races must use fantasia to actually change hairstyles and not use the npc like every other race only cause ears....

    anyway my thought on those, any backlash or badmouth critique SE is getting is basically what they sowed themselves for ignoring years of feedback and tbh their very lazy implementations they thrown out in EW(whm potencies never adjusted, Hrothgar hair and now the lottery system bug) which quite frankly should be a huge shame for big gaming company especially for yoshi-p who prides on quality content and actually "QA" before patching( hahahaha yea right. where was QA being done when healers were being checked for EW).
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonGunner View Post
    i agree, i don't remember silencing but you get attacked for each opinion especially controversial ones like Viera and Hrothgar and their treatment which i still think is absolute disgrace that after 4+ yeears(an entire expansion and beyond) those races must use fantasia to actually change hairstyles and not use the npc like every other race only cause ears....

    anyway my thought on those, any backlash or badmouth critique SE is getting is basically what they sowed themselves for ignoring years of feedback and tbh their very lazy implementations they thrown out in EW(whm potencies never adjusted, Hrothgar hair and now the lottery system bug) which quite frankly should be a huge shame for big gaming company especially for yoshi-p who prides on quality content and actually "QA" before patching( hahahaha yea right. where was QA being done when healers were being checked for EW).
    It's just trying to garner sympathy, either that or people don't understand the cordial, or civil discussion. That being said, insults have been thrown from every corner, be it from being attacked for having a controversial opinion, an opinion that is a critique, or praise. Be it with the claims that people cannot stand their 'perfect' game being criticized, or the claims that people are white knights, bootlickers (or the insinuation of such), or toxic positivists. Going back to the last point, whilst there are people that cannot handle criticism, in equal measure, there are people who cannot handle a critique of their opinion or criticism; critiquing the critique, some might say, and in many cases going as far as to host the mentality that all criticisms and issues amongst players should be homogenous.

    I don't deny that they've caused issues for themselves by ignoring many of the issues, and in fact, should be critiqued for such, but in a cordial manner. Saying someone should be fired or should quit their job over an issue does not resolve the said issue, it is a nonconductive band-aid. A better suggestion would be that they should be more in touch and interact with their community. As I said in a previous thread. Polling players on the issues surrounding Hrothgar especially would have gone a long way by being polled prior as opposed to subsequent to the fact of the issues. This will be controversial, but they get too riled up in band-aiding, or trying solutions, as opposed to tokenism. The way I see it, players would prefer thought-out solutions and even with a delayed solution or proposal, I think players would have been a lot more receptive had they just extended the gesture of polling players.

    Finally, regardless of how longstanding some of these issues are, or their lack of reception/response to some players' issues, it doesn't preclude maintaining a cordial or civil stance on the matter. Being abrasive does nothing for anyone, regardless of the matter at hand. This is why sometimes it is simply just a good suggestion to take a step back. Granted, people vocalized this in the most abrasive or dismissive way possible. I've had longstanding issues with crafting, for example. Since SB I've just ceded to the idea that SE does not have the same design philosophy, so I regularly take a step back and it's refreshing. But each to their own.
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    Last edited by Kaurhz; 04-21-2022 at 07:11 AM. Reason: Corrections.