So housing issues get addressed by Yoshi-P immediately, but Hrothgar...?

[Jason_Ashford]

What about "The hairs are attached to the heads and they would need to take the time out to redesign the models to separate the hairs from the heads to make that possible" do you not understand? It isn't the easy fix you make it out to be, it would require a full redesign of the Hrothgar models.

except that isn't true either, as i pointed out, Modders ALREADY added all 8 hairstyles across all 4 faces and proved that it can be done without a "full redesign of the hrothgar models".

So i'll say again: Spare me your white knight rhetoric and quit defending their inexcusable behavior.

[Kelev]

As far as the show us where he says he messed up, this is it
Just everyone, stop attacking the messenger please, thats how you lose an ally. I know youse are all frustrated, but it' not my fault. Sheesh.

You posted a bunch of Japanese that translates to “ After all, there are many voices saying that it's not good to have ears ... Yeah ... I'm a little worried here, now”

That’s not “We messed up.”
That’s not “I’m sorry.”
That’s not “We’re gonna fix it for you in X timeframe.”
That’s not good customer service.
That’s not empathetic.

When you say “Stop attacking me,” please understand “you’re going to have to cite your source, here” isn’t an attack.

It’s a request you show me where you got the information you did. If that sounds like an attack to you, Wikipedia must give you night-terrors.

The OP’s comment which is that “Housing gets greater visibility than Hrothgar anything is inherently defensible, which the OP does.

In addition, while “Some of your best friends are Hrothgar” I, personally, would like to just like to hear something less in line with “I’m torn” or “I need feedback.” The community has given plenty of feedback. 1,447 replies on the Hrothgar Haircut thread, 997 on the complaint megathread alone.

So, when you say “he said he messed up,” you’re going to have to point out where, exactly, that happened, because telling people you’re being attacked when you’re not just isn’t helpful.

[EnigmaticDodo]

I get your frustration, but I'll just be a parrot.jpg.

For my take to the devs on the Hroth situation and hats is to just wait until its done before release. That's all.

[Kelev]

Also, the statement “We have other voices saying it’s not good to have ears” is not only not “We messed up,” it’s a defense - kind of the opposite of an apology.

So it’s one thing to shoot the messenger for the message.

It’s another thing when we ask you to cite your source and you’ve not just misquoted the message, you’ve said the exact opposite, and then edited the post I quoted for some reason or another.

So if asking you to back your message up qualifies as an attack and/or loses you as an ally, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

Lemme know if you need a translation of that.

-Kelly

[Denji]

The Hrothgar threads have begun to outnumber the ones related to housing.

Whether anyone thinks it ought to be prioritized or even resolved doesn't negate the fact that a large chunk of the community wants something to be done about this and - for the sake of the forums and other discussion related to the game - I think I ought to be prioritized once the housing issue is sorted. Lest the forums continue to be flooded with topics related to it. If not to appease the hrothgar then to simply get it and the threads out of people's (and square's) hair.

[Jojoya]

hrothgar players have been asking for the racial hairstyles for years, and have been asking for unique hairstyles for just as long. We havent been stomping our feet and throwing a tantrum over it because Yoshi-P had said repeatedly over the years that he wanted to do more beastial hairstyles for hrothgar, and yet here we are 3 years later with nothing to show for it except some REALLY ugly hairstyles that literally no one asked for on hrothgar

The problem you're running into is not everyone wants the same thing. Players have also been asking to have the hairstyles earned as in game rewards added. They feel like they're getting cheated out of rewards when other players can use them but they can't due to race choice.

Since those styles were already in game, it made sense to focus on those first since less work would be involved so they could get those released faster.

So as Shibi says - Hrothgar players need to give feedback on what types of hairstyles are most important to them, unique racial or adaptation of existing human style, so SE will know what to focus on next. And they need to accept they will be disappointed if the majority voice among Hrothgar players pushes for other than what they personally want.

[reivaxe]

except that isn't true either, as i pointed out, Modders ALREADY added all 8 hairstyles across all 4 faces and proved that it can be done without a "full redesign of the hrothgar models".

So i'll say again: Spare me your white knight rhetoric and quit defending their inexcusable behavior.

This is silly.

Can you TECHNICALLY separate the hair model from the head model? Yes, they are separate models after all. What YP has said, a number of times, is that he (For W/E reason) had the devs make Hrothgar without the concept of swapping hairstyles in mind.

What does this mean and what good came outta it? It means that the 4 Hrothgar heads look hella different because they didn't have to worry about making them uniform so that they can share hair. It also means that each head's hair is made to look good on only THAT head and it's features. We got a taste of this when they screwed up the press image for Hrothgar before correcting it.

People were ragging on the race because of the Face 3 Lost with the Face 1 hair looking so lazy. Notice the hair clipping through the ear. Notice the poor clipping of the hairline. Notice how the brow spikes are clipping. Notice how if this Face 3 had the cheek fur face feature on that ... yeah, it would clip horribly with the Face 1 lion mane's temple hair extensions seen in that pic. They WOULD have to change each hairstyle to work on each head if they wanted them to look good, because the 4 Hrothgar heads have 4 different size-n-shaped ears AND foreheads and completely different face features. This is what it means to make them this way, without worrying about them changing hair and mixing them up.

This is not a problem for other races (and hopefully Hrothgals) because they all have the same head shape with different faces instead of completely different heads. Now, knowing this, they can likely design around that for new hair down the road. But that might be 2-3 years waiting for them to release 1 hair that ultimately hides the hairline or w/e to avoid having to make 4 different versions of 1 hairstyle.

[Listrella]

well the housing situation is a bug which can be fized quickly once it's worked out, the hrothgar situation will require new hair designs which will take time, it's not something that can be done instantly.

[Escence]

It says a lot about how little thought he puts into even thinking about the Hrothgar community when he blatantly ignores us for nearly two weeks after showing off those disgraceful and outright disrespectful and lazy hairstyles and then feigns surprise that the hrothgar community (and a good many others who don't play the big cats) were very upset over how bad the hairstyles looked, especially with the ears removed.

Meanwhile when the housing lottery system doesn't work as intended, he gets up at 5AM on Sunday morning to write a personal message about how sorry he is. Not only that, but he writes a second message today, once again talking about how sorry and ashamed he is for the system not working like it is supposed to.

It really makes me feel like an afterthought, and when people bring it up he has this dismissive attitude about it.

Would not call the the house issue fix more another band aid to a ever growing problem.

[Raim]

well the housing situation is a bug which can be fized quickly once it's worked out, the hrothgar situation will require new hair designs which will take time, it's not something that can be done instantly.

And what about the modding community that implemented ears onto the new hair(s) in a single day? Or the dozen+ hairs from other races they added to Hrothgar already? Not that I condone such things, but one has to question why its easy for them but nigh impossible for the XIV staff.