The Devs aren't your personal friends and valid criticism isn't "harrassment"

[IdowhatIwant]

Whether they are valid criticisms or not is one matter. Whether those criticisms are adequately communicated without them turning abrasive is another situation entirely. For me personally, it is not a matter of defending anyone or anything but simply put calling people lazy or incompetent, or stating that they should be fired is not conducive to a productive conversation or debate.

EDIT: I sympathize, I really do for people that don't get what they want, but peoples' issues do not preclude basic human decency when referring to an individual. If it has gotten as bad wherein the developer has had to go on record about it then I think it's a telling sign that some people just aren't simply expressing some critique of the game itself.

Personally, if I were a new player looking to get into the game, I would say had I seen the forum, I would be dissuaded more by how people express themselves on here than the state of the game itself. Which is an issue in and of itself.

I will say for dungeon content and savage / normal mode raids, this content does feel more lazy, which is why I personally call the devs lazy at times. That being said it may be a shift of focus which is why this content feels that way, which I think that shift of focus is the wrong direction, which is just my opinion. I don't like that the dungeons all feel very copy / paste of each other with different back grounds, and I don't like the Trials and Raids do not have any differences. But no, no one should be fired unless they did something extreme to hurt the game on purpose, or something like that. And when I say extreme I mean like delete the player data base or something not add a crappy piece of content. As far as tone goes, people can use what ever tone they want honestly, it's not up to other players to determine what kind of tone people can or can't use. It's really up to who is going to actually read it and take it into consideration to determine of the tone is something they wish to continue taking seriously or not.

If I were a new player and looking into the game, usually the games forums are the last place I would go for any information as it is typically a pretty bad place for information. It's hard to say what the new player experience it like, as many forms of media in my opinion over praise this game and lack any sort of criticism or problems with the games, or vice versa. This game in its current state is either loved or loathed right now which sucks and it will likely stay that way until it's next expansion as well as the next WoW expansion. I think WoWs competition is needed for this game to improve as it will either go in the right direction and stay competitive or the wrong direction and see a decline.

I think it also depends on what you define as "death threat".

I think it is fairly obvious what a death threat is, the fact that you had to make this post is pretty sad.. Wishing ill will one some one is not a death threat, a death threat would be to threaten someones life in some capacity. It is so hard to take this sort of talk seriously today because it is so commonly used in social media for views today. That being said, people completely over reacted about the housing issue, and were completely immature for doing so. If you complain that you have waited x years for a in game house... what is a couple more days.

[CrownySuccubus]

I think it is fairly obvious what a death threat is, the fact that you had to make this post is pretty sad.. Wishing ill will one some one is not a death threat, a death threat would be to threaten someones life in some capacity. It is so hard to take this sort of talk seriously today because it is so commonly used in social media for views today. That being said, people completely over reacted about the housing issue, and were completely immature for doing so. If you complain that you have waited x years for a in game house... what is a couple more days.

To be honest, I'm not a fan of this thread's game of "Narrow the technical definition of what's bad as much as possible".

Death threats are not the only type of unacceptable behavior. Just because something is "technically not a death threat" doesn't mean we shouldn't condemn it almost as -- or even just as strongly. Whether it's wishing ill on someone, saying they should be fired over a mistake (especially if it wasn't even their call to put it in the game), or many other types of behavior, it is nonetheless completely ridiculous and inhumane behavior.

[reivaxe]

There's 13 multiverse of distance between "expressing valid criticism" and what I see this player base doing in the West on the regular.

Hell, I remember a number of people calling SE homophobic for picking Hrothgar over Male Viera.

[IdowhatIwant]

To be honest, I'm not a fan of this thread's game of "Narrow the technical definition of what's bad as much as possible".

Death threats are not the only type of unacceptable behavior. Just because something is "technically not a death threat" doesn't mean we shouldn't condemn it almost as -- or even just as strongly. Whether it's wishing ill on someone, saying they should be fired over a mistake (especially if it wasn't even their call to put it in the game), or many other types of behavior, it is nonetheless completely ridiculous and inhumane behavior.

No but calling something that isn't a death threat, a death threat is making the community out to sound way worse than it really is. I don't condone wishing ill will on other people, how ever call it what it is.

[kpxmanifesto]

As far as tone goes, people can use what ever tone they want honestly, it's not up to other players to determine what kind of tone people can or can't use. It's really up to who is going to actually read it and take it into consideration to determine of the tone is something they wish to continue taking seriously or not.

I personally let the forum mods decide whether criticism is offensive or not. If the mods let the comment stand, then it's acceptable. If it gets deleted, then it obviously wasn't.

[Shin96]

There's 13 multiverse of distance between "expressing valid criticism" and what I see this player base doing in the West on the regular.

Hell, I remember a number of people calling SE homophobic for picking Hrothgar over Male Viera.

People fake crime this shit constantly to make criticism from others less credible. People just use a confirmation bias to put the blame on everyone. Truth is anything including harassment isn't valid but they like to cave to loud asshats constantly. Devs gotta be a bit more aware of the smaller problems too.