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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertusernamehere View Post
    It is their choice, if you want make a content only available small percent of player base your are not providing this content to everyone which mean you are most likely loosing sub. I don't like housing and decoration in MMORPG, but many people likes this kind of stuff.. decorating homes and make RP evolving around it. If you prevent those people you will most likely lose their sub.

    Savage content different, time gating necessary and it is supposed to be grind and luck based so they can keep you in game.

    It doesn't matter for me but for SE it is actually matters
    Savage isn't only timegating, it's also skill gating.
    It's content a minority of players will even get to engage with, there's a ton of mounts and such too tied to it that most players will never see even if they really really want it.

    There's a lot of different reasons why people unsub too.
    I get that it's a frustrating issue, personally I am too poor to even try to get a house rofl and I do want one.
    I just think that the argument that you're owed a house because you sub is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    Savage isn't only timegating, it's also skill gating.
    It's content a minority of players will even get to engage with, there's a ton of mounts and such too tied to it that most players will never see even if they really really want it.

    There's a lot of different reasons why people unsub too.
    I get that it's a frustrating issue, personally I am too poor to even try to get a house rofl and I do want one.
    I just think that the argument that you're owed a house because you sub is ridiculous.
    housing shouldnt be gated its part of the game thats available to everyone to access but not available to everyone for ownership... due to bad design
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSp View Post
    housing shouldnt be gated its part of the game thats available to everyone to access but not available to everyone for ownership... due to bad design
    Housing isn't gated. Not for the reasons you imply anyway. There are requirements in order to try and purchase a home, but these restrictions are in place to prevent a myriad of exploitations that players would undoubtedly take advantage of otherwise.

    Housing not being available to everyone is due to limited availability, not bad design. If housing was a bad design, there wouldn't be anywhere near the same amount of players wanting to take advantage of the benefits it provides. The "bad design" you refer to have been the various approaches to how a player and FCs acquire land in a residential district. However, there is always going to be a certain subset of players that will deem any and all systems that cannot accommodate the entire playerbase flawed and unfair.

    There is nothing to remedy limited housing other than to make it unlimited. The only thing they can do is implement a system that is fair for everyone who qualifies to purchase land. And by fair, this means that no one who qualifies to purchase land has an advantage or disadvantage from any other player who also qualifies. You can definitely make a case about the qualifications being fair. However, this will require critical thinking in order to make a case to present facts opposed to feelings and opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    I just think that the argument that you're owed a house because you sub is ridiculous.
    Absolutely it is. Good grief. The only players who are currently owed a house, are those who won the lottery fair and square, and instead can now only look at a giant red square where their house should be.

    The entitlement of some players does every bit as much to perpetuate the housing issue as does the limited availability. The latter is what it is, and because of that housing is a privilege, not a right. Absolutely no one is entitled to a home with the very, very certain exception of the afore mentioned recent lottery winners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Absolutely it is. Good grief. The only players who are currently owed a house, are those who won the lottery fair and square, and instead can now only look at a giant red square where their house should be.

    The entitlement of some players does every bit as much to perpetuate the housing issue as does the limited availability. The latter is what it is, and because of that housing is a privilege, not a right. Absolutely no one is entitled to a home with the very, very certain exception of the afore mentioned recent lottery winners.
    At least they can remove housing tag from advertisement or include "Housing Lottery" tag or they can use mini apartment room picture to avoid false advertisement.

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    Last edited by Insertusernamehere; 04-20-2022 at 04:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Absolutely it is. Good grief. The only players who are currently owed a house, are those who won the lottery fair and square, and instead can now only look at a giant red square where their house should be.

    The entitlement of some players does every bit as much to perpetuate the housing issue as does the limited availability. The latter is what it is, and because of that housing is a privilege, not a right. Absolutely no one is entitled to a home with the very, very certain exception of the afore mentioned recent lottery winners.
    There is a mechanic for earning a house in the CONTEXT of the game. You have to put in in-game effort to earn the money to pay for it. Adding to that a luck of the draw, or even the placard clicking pvp system is unreasonable. Expecting to be able to purchase something when you have the money is not "entitlement". Nobody is expecting to be just given a house.
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    Last edited by MsQi; 04-21-2022 at 10:18 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Absolutely it is. Good grief. The only players who are currently owed a house, are those who won the lottery fair and square, and instead can now only look at a giant red square where their house should be.

    The entitlement of some players does every bit as much to perpetuate the housing issue as does the limited availability. The latter is what it is, and because of that housing is a privilege, not a right. Absolutely no one is entitled to a home with the very, very certain exception of the afore mentioned recent lottery winners.
    Well tell Yoshida and his devs to get off their butts and make some more houses. All the money they have made from us NO MORE EXCUSES MORE PLOTS NOW. Lazy devs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang View Post
    Well tell Yoshida and his devs to get off their butts and make some more houses. All the money they have made from us NO MORE EXCUSES MORE PLOTS NOW. Lazy devs
    they add more emotes than wards at this point.
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