Everyone that entered the lottery should have a second chance - it wasn't fairly done

[Kaurhz]

In fairness, what they are telling us and what we saw happen are two different animals. If you were in a giveaway and the number zero was selected I'm sure you would question whether or not the entire contest was fair. Your argument is sound but it's a lose-lose situation.

What's worse? Upsetting the minority of people that have acquired a house or upsetting the majority of people that believe the system is unfair?

In all fairness you trying to propose a solution to a problem of which you have no clue is meaningless. Once again you're missing the point. The lottery was run correctly, for all intents and purposes everyone won their house appropriately, it was just a matter of this data not being communicated to the housing servers, hence the return of the result '0'. It's not a matter of zero being included in lottery, it's a matter that zero is the return value when the data cannot be fetched.

By all means doubt them if you wish, however.

[HisShadowX]

Think about this for a second. If you entered an IRL lottery but someone added additional numbers that were not actual entrants wouldn't that be wrong and immoral? For example if ten people enter the lottery but there are an additional two "fake tickets" or even one fake ticket we would all agree that isn't fair and shifts the odds against us.

Now moving on, imagine if the lottery had errors that didn't properly choose any winner whatsoever (There were no participants in the lottery). We would find that to be suspicious and unfair would we not?

Imagine if someone were doing a giveaway and the entry was zero or strange messages were coming up like the ones we're seeing. It wouldn't be deemed fair.

My point is, the lottery was not fairly ran by any means. We do not know how the system picks a winner but what we do know it added an additional entry of "Zero" to every single house lottery. We know that the system is not operating properly. We know strange messages sometimes come up and deprive anyone of winning.

A casino wouldn't allow a slot machine to remain on the floor in this case or perhaps a dealer adding cards to a game of blackjack - or any other game.

This has to be done fairly and with full transparency. I believe that the lottery should be redone entirely for every house in every Empyreum ward AFTER it is properly fixed and ready.

Agreed, this isn't the first time Square Enix various practices incurred the law in the United States. In fact the reason why we are able to cancel and be billed correctly was because Square Enix with FFXI used to bill monthly only. Meaning if you resubbed on the 29th of the month you would be billed a whole new month on the 1st. Also you could not call phone support and cancel.

Due to this the laws in Illinois was changed due to FFXI which then forced a change in all 50 states and U.S territories. Write your Senators or Congressman or state Senators it an election year. For those who claim it would do nothing remember it did something because Square Enix screwed up https://www.businessinsider.com/2008...ads-to-new-law

It looks like there were not fake tickets. What happened is that if you got a 0, the information wasn't communicated to the housing server and because it had no data to show, it just showed 0.

Thats what they are claiming but when you do a lottery in the United States this can be a Civil and Criminal Issue. In fact it can be an issue thar voids Binding Arbitration agreements and move into the court houses.

[Menriq]

Agreed, this isn't the first time Square Enix various practices incurred the law in the United States. In fact the reason why we are able to cancel and be billed correctly was because Square Enix with FFXI used to bill monthly only. Meaning if you resubbed on the 29th of the month you would be billed a whole new month on the 1st. Also you could not call phone support and cancel.

Due to this the laws in Illinois was changed due to FFXI which then forced a change in all 50 states and U.S territories. Write your Senators or Congressman or state Senators it an election year. For those who claim it would do nothing remember it did something because Square Enix screwed up https://www.businessinsider.com/2008...ads-to-new-law



Thats what they are claiming but when you do a lottery in the United States this can be a Civil and Criminal Issue. In fact it can be an issue thar voids Binding Arbitration agreements and move into the court houses.

Do you mind providing your law license number?

[NanaWiloh]

Do you mind providing your law license number?

People who talk about lawsuits and court cases on the forum 99.9% of the time don't know jack.

[Livilda]

Thats what they are claiming but when you do a lottery in the United States this can be a Civil and Criminal Issue. In fact it can be an issue thar voids Binding Arbitration agreements and move into the court houses.

How daft are you?
No housing lottery data was lost. No plots need to be re-rolled, not even bugged plots. The lottery was run, the winning numbers were picked, and still exist in their systems. Those who won, still won. Those who lost, still lost. Just because you can't see who won yet doesn't erase that fact. They are simply taking longer than expected to deliver the results for the plots in question.

This means that they know exactly who bid on which plots, and can re-roll the same plots, with the same entrants, and the same odds, only those odds would be correct this time, and you would never know.

It should be sufficient that they have that result data at all, and that they don't have to reroll the numbers. That they are even able to recover the data is a testament to the foresight and effort of the dev team. If this were World of Warcraft, do you for even a moment think the devs would have gotten up at 3:00 AM on a Saturday to tackle this issue?
Ungrateful louts, the lot of you.

Furthermore:
- all entry payments are made using currencies which are non-fungible and cannot be exchanged for real-world value according to the Terms of Service, and all entry payments are refunded in full to non-winning entries, rendering the "consideration" requirement of lottery classification void.
- all prizes are non-fungible and cannot be exchanged for real-world value according to the Terms of Service, and according to said Terms, may be revoked, directly or de-facto through an account ban, by Square-Enix, rendering the "prize" requirement of lottery classification void.
Due to the facts stated above, U.S. law pertaining to lotteries, contests, and sweepstakes are not applicable.

[Anger]

How daft are you?
No housing lottery data was lost. No plots need to be re-rolled, not even bugged plots. The lottery was run, the winning numbers were picked, and still exist in their systems. Those who won, still won. Those who lost, still lost. Just because you can't see who won yet doesn't erase that fact. They are simply taking longer than expected to deliver the results for the plots in question.

This means that they know exactly who bid on which plots, and can re-roll the same plots, with the same entrants, and the same odds, only those odds would be correct this time, and you would never know.

It should be sufficient that they have that result data at all, and that they don't have to reroll the numbers. That they are even able to recover the data is a testament to the foresight and effort of the dev team. If this were World of Warcraft, do you for even a moment think the devs would have gotten up at 3:00 AM on a Saturday to tackle this issue?
Ungrateful louts, the lot of you.

Furthermore:
- all entry payments are made using currencies which are non-fungible and cannot be exchanged for real-world value according to the Terms of Service, and all entry payments are refunded in full to non-winning entries, rendering the "consideration" requirement of lottery classification void.
- all prizes are non-fungible and cannot be exchanged for real-world value according to the Terms of Service, and according to said Terms, may be revoked, directly or de-facto through an account ban, by Square-Enix, rendering the "prize" requirement of lottery classification void.
Due to the facts stated above, U.S. law pertaining to lotteries, contests, and sweepstakes are not applicable.

The problem with your entire argument is that it's based on something someone said without any proof or evidence. That is called hearsay. Is SE providing proof?

There's no evidence presented to support the statements.

[Anger]

People who talk about lawsuits and court cases on the forum 99.9% of the time don't know jack.

In fairness he posted a news article proving what he said to be accurate.

[Kaurhz]

The problem with your entire argument is that it's based on something someone said without any proof or evidence. That is called hearsay. Is SE providing proof?

There's no evidence presented to support the statements.

Didn't you just do the very same thing? Commenting on a situation based on limited to no evidence, using your own 'intuition' as the only basis for your suggestion, and then proceed to question/discredit the information coming from Lodestone based on what is effectively an "I don't believe you"? argument? Is there a basis for your doubt? Other than 'the big bad wolf'

Your argument is unsound.

[LittleImp]

In fairness he posted a news article proving what he said to be accurate.

He posted an article about something that isn't even remotely connected to the issue at hand, which is whether or not the housing lottery constitutes an illegal lottery under U.S law.

It doesn't match the legal definition of a lottery, illegal or otherwise. You are fully at the mercy of whatever SE decides to do, and you have no legitimate recourse besides taking your business elsewhere.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Can we all please stop acting like a bunch of Karens? I get it, you're frustrated that it happened and it gave you all migraines and what not, but seriously they're already working on the issue and we just found out that it wasnt due to the lottery rng being rigged just the results info not showing up properly.