Revert Samurai changes. Stop doubling down on your screw up.

[QooEr]

No, my point is stop whining. Seriously, the SAM community on here is the most petulant group of any job mains on the forums. They've put up 25 separate threads in the past three days to completely suppress any other discussion on anything else. You act like yours is the only job with problems and burn the whole world down over really the stupidest thing to complain about. Kaiten was a pointless skill. If they have to rebalance other potencies over its removal, fine, but its inclusion in the game was providing no value.

They eliminated dark arts years ago because it had the same pointlessness, and dark knights adjusted just fine without it.

dark arts was the most fun part of dark knight, its not even close to what kaiten used to be. i stopped playing dark knight after it got removed so "dark knights" didnt adjust just fine without it because a job's playerbase isnt some single-minded hivemind. kaiten was as "pointless" as any other ability in the game. raging strikes? reassemble? infuriate? prescence of mind? fight or flight? why not just buff every other attack instead.

also honestly if theres 25 posts all from different people who never even touched the forums before to me it signals a pretty big mistake on the dev's part. nobody is burning anything down and its quite strange that you think the tidiness of these forums have any meaning because youre not even the one in charge of collecting the feedback for SE.

[Roxus]

Abbreviated.

Wow another player casting the umbrella to defend their actions. What a surprise. If there is a flood of the same topic as well as anywhere from 10-15 pages being created in a single day with essays of feedback from the JP side alone, you think there is no issue?

There are plenty of constructive posts, at some point you will just say something short. Staying silent won't help anyone as much as it inconveniences you. My point is, stop whining.

I was a DRK main in Heavensward. Dark Arts was absolutely not useless and neither is Kaiten as many of the people trying to dismiss the criticism claim. They served different purposes and Dark Arts was way more technical. Kaiten served to make your resource...you know..actually be a resource and to create a very smooth flow of gameplay.

I'll say this time and again, if you don't know what you're talking about, just keep your mouth shut. Also nice of you to throw shade at others in General where no one can see it.

[wereotter]

Wow another player casting the umbrella to defend their actions. What a surprise. If there is a flood of the same topic as well as anywhere from 10-15 pages being created in a single day with essays of feedback from the JP side alone, you think there is no issue?

There are plenty of constructive posts, at some point you will just say something short. Staying silent won't help anyone as much as it inconveniences you. My point is, stop whining.

I was a DRK main in Heavensward. Dark Arts was absolutely not useless and neither is Kaiten as many of the people trying to dismiss the criticism claim. They served different purposes and Dark Arts was way more technical. Kaiten served to make your resource...you know..actually be a resource and to create a very smooth flow of gameplay.

I'll say this time and again, if you don't know what you're talking about, just keep your mouth shut. Also nice of you to throw shade at others in General where no one can see it.

I was a dark knight in heavensward too, so don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about.

My point now, I still remember the samurai burining the forums to the ground and bullying the devs into changing the ONE downtime skill the job was given in Shadowbringers, and here we are again with the same people throwing a fit of the dumbest thing. So no, I'm not going to sit down and shut up.

And I'm not hiding it just in general. I'm saying the exact same thing here. I called the samurai community out for throwing a tantrum and acting like petulant children right here in this thread the same as I did there. If I were hiding, I wouldn't same the same statement here.

[cjbeagle]

also honestly if theres 25 posts all from different people who never even touched the forums before to me it signals a pretty big mistake on the dev's part.

This^ I'm one of those people - I had never even been to the forums until this change - made an account specifically to protest it.

As such, I'm new to the community, so if all the samurai feedback was supposed to be on a single thread, I apologize for the part I played in multithreading the conversation.

That said, whoever thinks Kaiten was a "useless skill" has no idea what they're talking about - probably not a samurai main and definitely no eye for kit design.

[WorldPeacElbow]

No, my point is stop whining. Seriously, the SAM community on here is the most petulant group of any job mains on the forums. They've put up 25 separate threads in the past three days to completely suppress any other discussion on anything else. You act like yours is the only job with problems and burn the whole world down over really the stupidest thing to complain about. Kaiten was a pointless skill. If they have to rebalance other potencies over its removal, fine, but its inclusion in the game was providing no value.

They eliminated dark arts years ago because it had the same pointlessness, and dark knights adjusted just fine without it.

You dont get to decide whats pointless or not. We Sam players will continue making posts over and over and over and over until something gets done. dont like it? DEAL WITH IT.

[xAFROx]

I miss old Dark Arts. It's why I stopped maining DRK. GNB fills the niche I wanted of Busy work. SAM fulfilled that for me too, but also gave me huge satisfying attacks periodically. I liked how crunchy it all was.

As for the multiple threads, it mainly seems to be kept to the DPS role section so I don't see the problem. There are other threads for other jobs still sitting around the top with activity.

[wereotter]

You dont get to decide whats pointless or not. We Sam players will continue making posts over and over and over and over until something gets done. dont like it? DEAL WITH IT.

Classic childish behavior I've been calling out.

I don't like what you have to say so you're telling me to sit down and shut up and deal with it, while saying you're going to continue spamming the forums.

[WorldPeacElbow]

Classic childish behavior I've been calling out.

I don't like what you have to say so you're telling me to sit down and shut up and deal with it, while saying you're going to continue spamming the forums.

Aww does that upset you? Dont care. Not even a little bit. YoshiP wants feedback and we're giving it to him

[wereotter]

Aww does that upset you? Dont care. Not even a little bit. YoshiP wants feedback and we're giving it to him

Pretty sure you care, else you wouldn't have responded in the first place, and wouldn't have replied again when I called out your behavior. But by all means, continue your tantrums on the forum, I won't back down from calling it like I see it.

[WorldPeacElbow]

Pretty sure you care, else you wouldn't have responded in the first place, and wouldn't have replied again when I called out your behavior. But by all means, continue your tantrums on the forum, I won't back down from calling it like I see it.

Nah not really. This convo is just keeping this thread at the top lmao. Keep crying on all the Sam threads please