Housing update 3 is up.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

QA doesn't catch everything.

I work for one of the US' biggest telecoms. They ran extensive tests and certified a version of firmware for the NICs used on a server platform. Thousands of servers effected (physical, not VMs). This certified version randomly sees an active link as down, and the only resolution is a hard power reset. It didn't get found during certification because it's completely random and while the issue is frequent, it wasn't discovered during the certification process.

No QA system will ever find every bug. It's not possible or feasible.

SE at least, owns up to their mistakes (or at least the XIV devs do). It's why there is such goodwill.

You can point to all the negative threads here all you want, but generally speaking, they are all made by the same smallish group who all agree with each other. They made their own little echo chamber and anyone who disagrees is "white knighting".

They are just as bad, if not worse, than those who say SE makes no mistakes lol.

You're right, it can't. But XIV's development team isn't a small indie studio with bare minimum funding and hardware; there are various ways they could have tested it before pushing it live. Even a staged rollout, as LittleImp mentioned, would have helped to catch the issue quickly before it affected so many people who are already tired and frustrated with this poor housing system as it stands. Owning up to your mistakes while continuing to consistently make them doesn't exactly breed much goodwill after 9 years of watching the cycle.

I also want to point out how most 'negative threads' on here are not in fact all the same 'small minority' (lol, sure Jan) who 'created an echo chamber' - I see numerous new posters with barely any posts chiming in their own feedback and displeasure. Not just with housing, but with many aspects of the game that have grown worse with every passing year, and issues which continue to go ignored. Perhaps you want to pretend they aren't there, or are just alts of the 'small minority echo chamber group', but the fact is - people are getting annoyed. People are seeing worrying trends. People who came over from WoW are noting similar red flags that signalled the slow spiral from grace of WoW and Blizzard.

I have an FC full of fairly casual players who love this game and the dev team, and even they're getting more annoyed every year, every patch. They're dissatisfied with decisions being made and the approach CB3 has towards this game lately. People have always voiced dissent over the years, sure (especially here), but I think it's quite telling how no matter which social media you check, more and more people are voicing displeasure and unhappiness with the state of things lately. Something is not right, no matter how much people like you try to act like it's just a 'small minority' yelling in their echo chamber.

[ijuakos_xqwzts]

would you look at that. every single armchair coder was wrong

Who had "S/E over-engineered the lottery system and didn't have adequate checks in place" on their Coder Bingo card, really?

[MiaShino]

QA doesn't catch everything.

I work for one of the US' biggest telecoms. They ran extensive tests and certified a version of firmware for the NICs used on a server platform. Thousands of servers effected (physical, not VMs). This certified version randomly sees an active link as down, and the only resolution is a hard power reset. It didn't get found during certification because it's completely random and while the issue is frequent, it wasn't discovered during the certification process.

No QA system will ever find every bug. It's not possible or feasible.

SE at least, owns up to their mistakes (or at least the XIV devs do). It's why there is such goodwill.

You can point to all the negative threads here all you want, but generally speaking, they are all made by the same smallish group who all agree with each other. They made their own little echo chamber and anyone who disagrees is "white knighting".

They are just as bad, if not worse, than those who say SE makes no mistakes lol.

Forgive this lala for pressing X to doubt the extensive Q&A done by US telecoms. Can hardly tie a set of Velcro shoes let alone deliver a stable service. Am hardly surprised a frequent failure to establish connection for certification bug slipped through that could likely have been handled by if failed to certify attempt again > reset > attempt again.

Am happy this is being addressed if that makes everyone else happy to hear. I can tell the friends who were thinking of quitting over this that they will receive their FC houses.

Perhaps in future times Square can perform most complicated tests such as;
"What if server A fails to communicate with server B?"

and

"What if account/character is falsely flagged as unable to purchase?" Can they still place a bet?"

Nah! Am only armchair coder with expectations most lofty who has not a clue what they are talking about. Thankfully this is not EA/Activision or we would be justified in frustration! May have to express that feist if it were not Square and the FFXIV dev team. Phew thank the twelve it is the FFXIV dev team, I can go back to being complacent now.

Carry on everyone! Is fix!

Who had "S/E over-engineered the lottery system and didn't have adequate checks in place" on their Coder Bingo card, really?

*checks notes*

I had that as guess four on my checklist. Right next to "oops I nulled the tables" and "Hmm, probably failed server to client update." and not to far from "Am thinking bidder zero is system bidder - default state"

[LittleImp]

would you look at that. every single armchair coder was wrong

There are a lot of things that can cause that kind of error, so there were bound to be many wrong answers.

There were a few people that did actually correctly predict that the problem was server communication related, for what its worth.

[sagacious]

My FC is finally getting their own large! Excited!

same here we are also excited ...

[Escence]

So the lottery was still BS as even the numbers that won and a real person did not get Zero the fact that the number Zero was a Factor in the lottery means the winning person won well competing with the number Zero so if there was no number Zero in the drawing another person could have won.

Bottom line those who won the house are not real winners and they should be stripped of their house and a redo must occur.




The person didn't beat you or really win. The lottery was bugged and they should loss the house. Bottom line the lottery used the number 0 in the draw which meant even the houses who went to a person that draw also used the number 0 to factor it in. So if the number 0 was not in the drawing someone else might have won.

If I throw in the numbers 0 through 10 in a drawing there is a chance 0 will be chosen, but it will affect it will lower the chances for the other numbers to be chosen. If we remove the number 0 from a drawing and have the numbers 1 through 10 the chances of the other numbers to be drawn will be different.

Even for those who won the houses it is not legitimate due to the factor of including the number 0 in the draw.

Yes this what been saying from the very beginning with this and no one wants to acknowledge this at. Even if your plot did not get hit with the zero bug it still play a factor in which number which was draw from what I saw on my server the majority was single digit numbers such as 1,2,3 and 5 the highest I seen was a 8. I fully support a full roll back on all the house so that the proper system is working correctly. But they rather just tell folks that got jip out winning a house better luck next time.

[sagacious]

Yes this what been saying from the very beginning with this and no one wants to acknowledge this at. Even if your plot did not get hit with the zero bug it still play a factor in which number which was draw from what I saw on my server the majority was single digit numbers such as 1,2,3 and 5 the highest I seen was a 8. I fully support a full roll back on all the house so that the proper system is working correctly. But they rather just tell folks that got jip out winning a house better luck next time.

I agree with you in the multiple entries lottery, but I got a zero and was the only entry. You can run it a million times in a row with 1 to 10 and I still won ....but I lost to a zero ...

[Escence]

QA doesn't catch everything.

I work for one of the US' biggest telecoms. They ran extensive tests and certified a version of firmware for the NICs used on a server platform. Thousands of servers effected (physical, not VMs). This certified version randomly sees an active link as down, and the only resolution is a hard power reset. It didn't get found during certification because it's completely random and while the issue is frequent, it wasn't discovered during the certification process.

No QA system will ever find every bug. It's not possible or feasible.

SE at least, owns up to their mistakes (or at least the XIV devs do). It's why there is such goodwill.

You can point to all the negative threads here all you want, but generally speaking, they are all made by the same smallish group who all agree with each other. They made their own little echo chamber and anyone who disagrees is "white knighting".

They are just as bad, if not worse, than those who say SE makes no mistakes lol.

I mean this should have been caught this was not some random bug that could happen in a blue moon this was in your face a end result of someone not coding properly and yoshi sign off on it to be ship.
The same can be said that by the group of people that defends when the devs finally listen after community drills it into their brain that hey we don't like something change it. Case in point DRK invulnerable look how long it took the to make it a decent ability. Same can be said for housing when yoshi made the call to let people own personal housing but instead of properly addressing it they chose to do band aid fixes instead of fixing the core issues which still is at the end of day having enough homes to accommodate anyone that interested but instead they choose a band aid fix of hey let's do a rng lottery. Now some say we'll they are doing another data center expansion with additional worlds and that will solve the housing issue. Wel it won't because if they keep on the design path that FC take up the majority of the wards while personal only has 2 wards allocated for them then we are going to becback where we started. Hold yoshi accountable for poor design choices and hold him accountable for doing band aid fixes instead of fixing the core issue.

[NanaWiloh]

Forgive this lala for pressing X to doubt the extensive Q&A done by US telecoms. Can hardly tie a set of Velcro shoes let alone deliver a stable service. Am hardly surprised a frequent failure to establish connection for certification bug slipped through that could likely have been handled by if failed to certify attempt again > reset > attempt again.

Am happy this is being addressed if that makes everyone else happy to hear. I can tell the friends who were thinking of quitting over this that they will receive their FC houses.

Perhaps in future times Square can perform most complicated tests such as;
"What if server A fails to communicate with server B?"

and

"What if account/character is falsely flagged as unable to purchase?" Can they still place a bet?"

Nah! Am only armchair coder with expectations most lofty who has not a clue what they are talking about. Thankfully this is not EA/Activision or we would be justified in frustration! May have to express that feist if it were not Square and the FFXIV dev team. Phew thank the twelve it is the FFXIV dev team, I can go back to being complacent now.

Carry on everyone! Is fix!



*checks notes*

I had that as guess four on my checklist. Right next to "oops I nulled the tables" and "Hmm, probably failed server to client update." and not to far from "Am thinking bidder zero is system bidder - default state"

You know whats more annoying then errors and bugs in a game. People who use other peoples mistakes to grand stand and toot their own horn.

[MiaShino]

You know whats more annoying then errors and bugs in a game. People who use other peoples mistakes to grand stand and toot their own horn.

Sure wish that empty plot had a house on it right now and I could ignore that as easily as you could have ignored my post.

Nah, you had to make some snarky passive aggressive comment instead. Get labeled as doing something on these forums every time I post.

Now I am grand standing. Toot too, I suppose. I have every bit same right to call out big dumb mistakes as you do to mald over my doing so.