6.1 Samurai: the Kaiten removal was the right choice but it's not enough

[YuuYun]

First of all almost every job change in Endwalker is a shit show. (SMN, SAM, MCH, WHM...)

I as a former Samurai main your opinion of removal of kaiten being a good thing is "wrong", if you can't double weave kaiten or third eye just play another job as simple as that. That's why variety of jobs exist.
The SAM class was already in a good spot... Easy to get the basics down to complete most contents and had a high optimization ceiling.
The kaiten skill was an important action for the SAM job. Why?
First of all now the gauge might as well not exist because its just a shinten gauge not needing to optimize the gauge depending on when you get AST cards and other buffs (because you dont need to save the gauge for kaiten)
Secondly the many played SAM for the cool looking animations and the romance of the big numbers. Now we have neither, Midare with BiS doing almost similar damage as WAR's Inner chaos, and losing the animation which seemed as if you were winding up for a big damaging skill.
Lastly for SAM changes this is not kaiten but for Tekka goken why did the dev team make it into a circle AoE. Because of this change there are times where you cant use Tekka Goken optimally for example in The Epic of Alexander Ultimate: Living Liquid, for jagd dolls you were able to delay your opener to the jagd doll as a first feed BECAUSE IT WAS A CONE AOE which reached the hand, body, and the doll.

I really don't get where the dev team is going with this game, simplifying jobs which doesn't need any. Making it more brain ded as a game. Might as well NOT even release savage and ultimates at this point and simplify every job so I can quit this game. Jesus Christ. *sigh*

What next on the execution platform!? DRG!?

[NotReallyMistral]

Ngl I stopped taking this thread seriously when OP said that SAM is now a solid combo class with short bursts, as if we didn't just end up going from competing against our fellow selfish dps, BLM, to barely getting more than double the damage our combo gcd skill does because they decided to make our iajutsu and ogi hit like a wet noodle. Btw, that 20k+ damage on midare/ogi? I can hit close to that with phlegma on SGE with raid buffs. With SAM? It just comes up a bit higher with those said big attacks.

Sure, kenki is definitely a problem and kaiten does provide a huge damage boost. But the fact of the matter is that Kaiten, outside of being a kenki spender and buffer, is the only skill in the game that actually bridges the gap between two resources being that it uses our kenki to provide boost to iajutsu that uses sen. And right now, without kaiten, there's nothing to really control the flow outside of just leaving enough every 2min for senei. You can just spam shinten (which, as I noticed no one is talking about) also got its potency nerfed a bit. I can live without kaiten despite the bitching I made about it. It still feels awful to use without but I can live with it. What I have a problem with is this also came with a massive nerf to our big hitters. And don't even get me started on tenka goken now shooting out of our ass having worse damage with potency nerf and kaiten removal. I stopped playing SAM after playing it twice through Aglaia and found myself incredibly unhappy at how i feel like hitting with a wet noodle. I loved that raid, I didn't love how playing this job made me feel awful in it.

Disclaimer: I'm just a SAM main, I'm a casual, not a raider and even I know enough what the actual problem is. They actually ruined the feel of the job and make us hit wet noodle with midare/ogi.

[GoAgane]

It's a troll thread at this point, literally everyone disagrees but it keeps going on top because people keep replying how much they disagree.

Don't feed the troll.

[VincentH]

Nah, keep going at least it shows how much people reject the notion

[Soge01]

Thinking about here and there over the past few days while reading other's comments on this whole thing (in multiple different threads, just saw this one now, lol). A big change like getting rid of Kaiten and all the other changes to SAM should have been done in the next expansion when the dev team would have had time to properly test out whether the changes they wanted to make to SAM was good enough while also constructing a proper new identity for SAM that would work well with it.

Suddenly making the changes they did while barely being into the next couple of patches into Endwalker was a TERRIBLE idea and the devs need to immediately walk these changes back as soon as possible and go back to the drawing board!

Again, they need to take a couple years to actually work out what they can do with Samurai with a new core play system that doesn't revolve around Kaiten.

Personally, I'm open to change, but not when its spring on us out of nowhere with clearly barely any thought put into whatever idea your trying to pull!

Bah, I'm not the best when it comes to giving constructive feedback or whatever but just...don't make silly changes in the fly like this and take the time to really test everything out and get actual players to even get involved with said testing from all walks of life in the game. Casuals, midcore players, hardcore players, raiders and crafters/gathers... Get all these kinda of people to look over things you want to change so things like Samurai getting shafted and Healers and Tanks being homogenized into the ground don't happen anymore..

Edit: Damit, troll, lol! Oh well, I made the post. Might as well leave it. xD

[Val_Bloodfallen]

They should remove combos too. I hate having to press Hakaze before every Shifu, Jinpu, and Yukikaze. If you use something every single time before a specific skill, it's better to just remove it.

Here! Here! Or better yet remove all abilities and just buff auto attacks! =D

[Ziggurat8]

Here! Here! Or better yet remove all abilities and just buff auto attacks! =D

OMG that sounds like FFXI all over again. Is that what we're simplifying down to? Auto-attacks with an occasional weaponskill?

[Jirah]

Here! Here! Or better yet remove all abilities and just buff auto attacks! =D

Actually sounds like a auto mmo like what you see in mobile devices. It saddens me that not a single job has underwent a positive change since SB that this downsizing for simplicity sake is pissing off everyone